Re: Starting with the Whiteboard Code

2012-02-08 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/8/12 6:39 AM, "Michael A. Labriola" wrote: >>> I would argue that approachability for newbies is what has made HTML/JS so >>> popular. > > I would argue its ubiquity. IMHO, approachability is the foundation for the popularity that paved the way for ubiquity. > >>> Agreed, but IMHO, i

Re: [Infra] Wiki Account

2012-02-08 Thread Anand Vardhan
Keith, Please include Pune Flex User Group (PuneFUG.org) in the list too. Cheers, Anand Vardhan (+91 956-1818-960) Adobe Certified Expert,Flex 3.0 & AIR Adobe Certified Developer, Flex 2.0 www.AnandVardhan.com www.linkedin.com/in/anandvardhan “Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follo

Re: [Infra] Wiki Account

2012-02-08 Thread Doug Arthur
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Keith Sutton wrote: > Hello, > > I have developed a list of 40+ Flex user groups world-wide and would like to > post a page on the wiki. For more info you can check the [Wiki][User Groups] > discussion thread. > > My account is 'keith_sutton' and request editor acce

[Infra] Wiki Account

2012-02-08 Thread Keith Sutton
Hello, I have developed a list of 40+ Flex user groups world-wide and would like to post a page on the wiki. For more info you can check the [Wiki][User Groups] discussion thread. My account is 'keith_sutton' and request editor access. Regards Keith

Re: Hello

2012-02-08 Thread Jonathan Campos
I'd be happy to, what information are you looking for? On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Diego Fonseca wrote: > Hi, I'm Diego. > I'm a PHP developer in Brazil. Here in our company we use FLEX+PHP in some > projects. > I should want to now something about the future of the Framework Flex. > Can you

Re: [Discussion] Printing from Flex

2012-02-08 Thread Leif Wells
printAsBitmap has never been... satisfying. The quality has always been a bit blurry in my opinion. Build your on PDF files with AlivePDF: http://alivepdf.bytearray.org/ In most cases where I've needed to create a PDF of print something out, the output I needed was not the application screen that

Re: Proposal: Compile-time-data injection

2012-02-08 Thread Dave Fisher
On Feb 7, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Omar Gonzalez wrote: > On Tuesday, February 7, 2012, Martin Heidegger wrote: >> Hello everybody, >> >> in the sense of making progress I tried to write down the feature I want > to implement in the compiler once the compiler source & tests are available. >> I am not

Re: [Wiki] Getting Started

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 09/02/2012 01:36, Doug Arthur wrote: I've updated the front page of the wiki with some information and the pages created so far. - Doug Awesome! Thanks! Martin.

Re: [Wiki] Getting Started

2012-02-08 Thread Doug Arthur
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Martin Heidegger wrote: > On 09/02/2012 01:13, Doug Arthur wrote: >> >> Just making a blanking statement so people know to put their links >> somewhere when they create new pages so that people can see them. :) - Doug > > > I know :) I just wanted to state that it i

RE: [RT] From Singletons to Unit-testable code

2012-02-08 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>>Given some sort of native dependency management in the framework, do we >>really need styles? There is some overlap. The biggest problem is the hierarchical nature of styling adds some complexity. Mike Notice: This transmission is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whic

RE: [RT] From Singletons to Unit-testable code

2012-02-08 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>>My simple mind just can't understand why we need a sophisticated multi-step >>plan or full dependency injection. Why can't a simpler substitution pattern >>do the job? Alex, first, I am not sure what you think is involved in the injection solution, but I am not sure it is more complicated. T

Re: [Wiki] Getting Started

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 09/02/2012 01:13, Doug Arthur wrote: Just making a blanking statement so people know to put their links somewhere when they create new pages so that people can see them. :) - Doug I know :) I just wanted to state that it is in everyone's power to do that. Its a lot of work and done togeth

Re: [Wiki] Getting Started

2012-02-08 Thread Doug Arthur
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Martin Heidegger wrote: > On 09/02/2012 00:34, Doug Arthur wrote: >> >> Also, lets make sure we get those sub-links posted to the main wiki >> page for Apache Flex [1] >> > Its a wiki, feel free to add it. > > yours > Martin. Just making a blanking statement so peo

Re: [Wiki] Getting Started

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 09/02/2012 00:34, Doug Arthur wrote: Also, lets make sure we get those sub-links posted to the main wiki page for Apache Flex [1] Its a wiki, feel free to add it. yours Martin.

Re: [RT] From Singletons to Unit-testable code

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 09/02/2012 00:44, Alex Harui wrote: I think the simplest is just adding a replaceInstance on mx.core.Singleton... The replacement in Singleton is just reasonable if all static code was actually handled within the singleton code. I tried to explain before: there is more code in the statics th

Re: [RT] From Singletons to Unit-testable code

2012-02-08 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/8/12 7:33 AM, "Martin Heidegger" wrote: > I am curious about the "simpler substitution": How would you do that in > detail? I think the simplest is just adding a replaceInstance on mx.core.Singleton that dispatches an event with what got replaced. And maybe some new list of mixins that g

Re: [Wiki] Getting Started

2012-02-08 Thread Doug Arthur
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:14 AM, Martin Heidegger wrote: > Hello all, > > I took the liberty to write a small "getting started" section in the wiki > [1]. I am not sure whether or not the things I wrote are actually accurate > but I figured that everyone is free to correct me. > > yours > Martin. >

Re: [RT] From Singletons to Unit-testable code

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 08/02/2012 23:45, Alex Harui wrote: My simple mind just can't understand why we need a sophisticated multi-step plan or full dependency injection. Why can't a simpler substitution pattern do the job? The complexity always comes with the detail. I assume one could summarize it with: Mov

Re: Starting with the Whiteboard Code

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 08/02/2012 23:39, Michael A. Labriola wrote: I would argue its ubiquity. I don't know any advanced developer that is excited about HTML/JS as a language. Those of us excited about it are excited by its ubiquity and the capabilities of the VM, not the language. Limitations are sometimes the

Re: [RT] From Singletons to Unit-testable code

2012-02-08 Thread Erik Lundgren
8 feb 2012 kl. 15.25 skrev Michael A. Labriola: > I am going to provide a version of the framework and compiler with a > swappable, minimalistic injection mechanism and perhaps some basic AOPish > concepts like compile time mixins. [...] The biggest problem in this approach > is actually thing

Re: [RT] From Singletons to Unit-testable code

2012-02-08 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/8/12 1:50 AM, "David Arno" wrote: >> From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com] >> Sent: 08 February 2012 03:10 >> >> ... And then there are some old singletons like EffectManager that still > use >> static methods, which should be using Singleton instead. >> >> And then there is the wh

RE: Starting with the Whiteboard Code

2012-02-08 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>>I would argue that approachability for newbies is what has made HTML/JS so >>popular. I think we need popularity in order to get buzz that opens >>opportunities for new work and ensures community longevity. A >>smaller >>community of high-end specialists have an uphill battle to fight for >

RE: [RT] From Singletons to Unit-testable code

2012-02-08 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>I could be wrong but I think the plan I wrote about was a step-by-step >instruction to get rid of singletons using a intermediate service locator that >can be dropped in the end. >To me the first step is to get from "unit tests are impossible" (the current >state of the framework) to "they are

Re: [Wiki] Getting Started

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Heidegger
Thanks! Martin. On 08/02/2012 22:27, Rui Silva wrote: Thanks Martin. There's one thing I'd change, thought and that's the reference to [Binding] within the other thread markers. [Binding] is used solely within a [Vote] to signal PPMC votes. I'll go ahead and take that out. I'll also change thre

re: [Wiki] Getting Started

2012-02-08 Thread Rui Silva
Thanks Martin. There's one thing I'd change, thought and that's the reference to [Binding] within the other thread markers. [Binding] is used solely within a [Vote] to signal PPMC votes. I'll go ahead and take that out. I'll also change thread markers to All Caps as that seems to be the usual s

[Wiki] Getting Started

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Heidegger
Hello all, I took the liberty to write a small "getting started" section in the wiki [1]. I am not sure whether or not the things I wrote are actually accurate but I figured that everyone is free to correct me. yours Martin. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Getting+Starte

re: Wiki usage? (was: Proposal: Compile-time-data injection)

2012-02-08 Thread Rui Silva
> I absolutely agree that it's good to keep such things around. > > -Bertrand > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Compile-time-data+injection Makes sense to me too. The wiki page having a comments section can also be used to hold some discussion around what is described

Re: [RT] From Singletons to Unit-testable code

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 08/02/2012 18:50, David Arno wrote: Let's have that debate. Replacing static methods with singletons will not improve the testability of the code. If those static methods are deterministic and have no side effects, then they are fine as static methods (and maybe could be turned into global f

RE: [RT] From Singletons to Unit-testable code

2012-02-08 Thread David Arno
> From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com] > Sent: 08 February 2012 03:10 > > ... And then there are some old singletons like EffectManager that still use > static methods, which should be using Singleton instead. > > And then there is the whole debate about Singletons in general... Let's have