Re: [FFmpeg-devel] lavd: Remove libndi_newtek

2019-03-10 Thread Nicolas George
Maksym Veremeyenko (12019-03-10): > removal code authors should find the core of their hates: either NDI > technology or NewTek company Please control your wording. Hate is a toxic irrational emotion. Fighting companies that produce non-Libre software and want to profit from the efforts of the Lib

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] lavd: Remove libndi_newtek

2019-03-10 Thread Maksym Veremeyenko
On 10.03.2019 19:04, Martin Vignali wrote: [...] The interest of sending a patch to this project is to benefit of the entire infrastructure around the ffmpeg project. Not the pleasure to read this mailing list. Taking time to have a feature/enhancement integrate inside this project, are interesti

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] lavd: Remove libndi_newtek

2019-03-10 Thread Nicolas George
Andrey Semashev (12019-03-10): > Yes. It doesn't make it less true, IMO. It makes it neither true nor false but subject to personal judgements. > I'm pointing out that there seem to be no technical reason for the removal, > but instead there is a political one. Indeed. >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] lavd: Remove libndi_newtek

2019-03-10 Thread Nicolas George
Martin Vignali (12019-03-10): > It's about the lack of consistency on this topic, and the lack of a clear > definition (documented at the project level, to avoid precisely this kind > of situation) As I said: if there is support for removing ALL non-free stuff, I am behind it too. Is it clear enou

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] lavd: Remove libndi_newtek

2019-03-10 Thread Andrey Semashev
On 3/10/19 9:39 PM, Nicolas George wrote: Andrey Semashev (12019-03-10): But I think decisions like this should be based exclusively on technical grounds. Political or populist arguments are not valid for technical decisions, regardless how "good" or aligned with your personal views

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] lavd: Remove libndi_newtek

2019-03-10 Thread Martin Vignali
Le dim. 10 mars 2019 à 18:55, Nicolas George a écrit : > Martin Vignali (12019-03-10): > > Le dim. 10 mars 2019 à 17:03, Nicolas George a écrit : > > > It's just ruining his effort to integrate this feature inside the > project. > > Please do not attribute your sentences to me. > > > This discus

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] lavd: Remove libndi_newtek

2019-03-10 Thread Nicolas George
Andrey Semashev (12019-03-10): > But I think decisions like this should be based exclusively on > technical grounds. Political or populist arguments are not valid for > technical decisions, regardless how "good" or aligned with your personal > views they might seem. Do you realize that t

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] lavd: Remove libndi_newtek

2019-03-10 Thread Andrey Semashev
On 3/10/19 8:28 PM, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2019, at 18:04, Martin Vignali wrote: This discussion just send bad message to contributors. You're just encourage them to keep code improvement in their own version of ffmpeg. Maintaining an FFmpeg is hard and costly. This gives t

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] lavd: Remove libndi_newtek

2019-03-10 Thread Nicolas George
Martin Vignali (12019-03-10): > Le dim. 10 mars 2019 à 17:03, Nicolas George a écrit : > > It's just ruining his effort to integrate this feature inside the project. Please do not attribute your sentences to me. > This discussion just send bad message to contributors. If you consider "we do not

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] lavd: Remove libndi_newtek

2019-03-10 Thread Ronald S. Bultje
Hi, On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 1:04 PM Martin Vignali wrote: > But if this is the project policy... > Yes, I would like to propose to make this project policy. Ronald ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listi

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] lavd: Remove libndi_newtek

2019-03-10 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
On Sun, 10 Mar 2019, at 18:04, Martin Vignali wrote: > This discussion just send bad message to contributors. > You're just encourage them to keep code improvement in their own version of > ffmpeg. Maintaining an FFmpeg is hard and costly. This gives those people incentives to use open source lib

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] lavd: Remove libndi_newtek

2019-03-10 Thread Martin Vignali
Le dim. 10 mars 2019 à 17:03, Nicolas George a écrit : > Maksym Veremeyenko (12019-03-10): > > code you going to remove was not made by you nor NewTek company. > > > > if you have a problem with NewTek company - do a step to solve it - dont > > ruin a code. > > Nobody is ruining any code. Just re

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] lavd: Remove libndi_newtek

2019-03-10 Thread Nicolas George
Maksym Veremeyenko (12019-03-10): > code you going to remove was not made by you nor NewTek company. > > if you have a problem with NewTek company - do a step to solve it - dont > ruin a code. Nobody is ruining any code. Just removing it from a prominent distribution and development platform. Re

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] lavd: Remove libndi_newtek

2019-03-10 Thread Maksym Veremeyenko
On 09.03.2019 22:12, Kieran Kunhya wrote: They have not responded to any communications: https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/7589 code you going to remove was not made by you nor NewTek company. if you have a problem with NewTek company - do a step to solve it - dont ruin a code. -- Maksym Verem

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] lavd: Remove libndi_newtek

2019-03-10 Thread Marton Balint
On Sun, 10 Mar 2019, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote: On Sat, 9 Mar 2019, at 21:58, Marton Balint wrote: On Sat, 9 Mar 2019, Dennis Mungai wrote: > On Sat, 9 Mar 2019 at 23:19, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: >> 2019-03-09 21:16 GMT+01:00, Carl Eugen Hoyos : >> > 2019-03-09 21:12 GMT+01:00, Kieran Kunhya

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] lavd: Remove libndi_newtek

2019-03-10 Thread Nicolas George
Marton Balint (12019-03-09): > You are not removing ndi because of the license violation, you are removing > it because you don't like it. Let us assume, for the rice wine of the argument, that you are right: that we want to remove it because we do not like them. But ask yourself: why do we not li

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] lavd: Remove libndi_newtek

2019-03-10 Thread Nicolas George
Ronald S. Bultje (12019-03-09): > I would not be against removing all closed-source support. I would get behind that. Regards, -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https:/

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] lavd: Remove libndi_newtek

2019-03-10 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
On Sat, 9 Mar 2019, at 23:58, Ronald S. Bultje wrote: > On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 4:02 PM Martin Vignali > I would not be against removing all closed-source support. I have voiced > this before in the realvideo discussion: > https://ffmpeg-devel.ffmpeg.narkive.com/Ok5y3HXO/patch-0-3-codec-wrapper-for

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] lavd: Remove libndi_newtek

2019-03-10 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
On Sat, 9 Mar 2019, at 21:58, Marton Balint wrote: > On Sat, 9 Mar 2019, Dennis Mungai wrote: > > On Sat, 9 Mar 2019 at 23:19, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > >> 2019-03-09 21:16 GMT+01:00, Carl Eugen Hoyos : > >> > 2019-03-09 21:12 GMT+01:00, Kieran Kunhya : > >> >> They have not responded to any commu

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] lavd: Remove libndi_newtek

2019-03-09 Thread Ronald S. Bultje
Hi, On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 4:02 PM Martin Vignali wrote: > They have not responded to any communications: > > https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/7589 > > > > > I still do not understand the link between the ticket and the removal of > lib ndi. > Is it plan to remove all features used by people who d

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] lavd: Remove libndi_newtek

2019-03-09 Thread Martin Vignali
They have not responded to any communications: > https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/7589 > > I still do not understand the link between the ticket and the removal of lib ndi. Is it plan to remove all features used by people who doesn't respect the licence ? If this patch concerns the removal of a libr

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] lavd: Remove libndi_newtek

2019-03-09 Thread Marton Balint
On Sat, 9 Mar 2019, Dennis Mungai wrote: On Sat, 9 Mar 2019 at 23:19, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: 2019-03-09 21:16 GMT+01:00, Carl Eugen Hoyos : > 2019-03-09 21:12 GMT+01:00, Kieran Kunhya : >> They have not responded to any communications: >> https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/7589 > > Missing min

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] lavd: Remove libndi_newtek

2019-03-09 Thread Dennis Mungai
On Sat, 9 Mar 2019 at 23:19, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > 2019-03-09 21:16 GMT+01:00, Carl Eugen Hoyos : > > 2019-03-09 21:12 GMT+01:00, Kieran Kunhya : > >> They have not responded to any communications: > >> https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/7589 > > > > Missing minor version bump > > Sorry about thi

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] lavd: Remove libndi_newtek

2019-03-09 Thread Carl Eugen Hoyos
2019-03-09 21:16 GMT+01:00, Carl Eugen Hoyos : > 2019-03-09 21:12 GMT+01:00, Kieran Kunhya : >> They have not responded to any communications: >> https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/7589 > > Missing minor version bump Sorry about this, I used the wrong patch reading tool... > and please also post a ne

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] lavd: Remove libndi_newtek

2019-03-09 Thread Carl Eugen Hoyos
2019-03-09 21:12 GMT+01:00, Kieran Kunhya : > They have not responded to any communications: > https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/7589 Missing minor version bump and please also post a news entry. Carl Eugen ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg

[FFmpeg-devel] lavd: Remove libndi_newtek

2019-03-09 Thread Kieran Kunhya
They have not responded to any communications: https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/7589 Kieran 0001-lavd-Remove-libndi_newtek.patch Description: Binary data ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-dev