On Fri, 23 May 2025, 21:35 Michael Niedermayer,
wrote:
> Hi Kieran
>
> On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 04:45:53PM +0100, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
> wrote:
> > On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 4:00 PM Kieran Kunhya
> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 3:50 PM Devin Heitmueller
> > > wrote:
> > > >
Hi Kieran
On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 04:45:53PM +0100, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 4:00 PM Kieran Kunhya
> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 3:50 PM Devin Heitmueller
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Michael,
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 5:45 AM Michael
Hi,
>
>
> But Lynne is insisting it's not a protocol. The work would just be the low
> level RaptorQ algorithm.
>
> UDP based retransmit/FEC protocols are essentially impossible to develop
> well without an event loop / timers.
>
> You can look at libsrt and librist of examples of how trying
Hi Devin
On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 10:57:37AM -0400, Devin Heitmueller wrote:
> On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 5:58 AM Michael Niedermayer
> wrote:
> > Theres also the human element, where people are not machienes that can
> > be placed and told things arbitrary. RaptorQ is "cool", ARQ is boring
> >
> > S
Hi Devin
On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 10:50:32AM -0400, Devin Heitmueller wrote:
> Hello Michael,
>
> On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 5:45 AM Michael Niedermayer
> wrote:
> > On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 07:55:40PM -0400, Devin Heitmueller wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 7:42 PM Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-deve
On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 4:00 PM Kieran Kunhya wrote:
>
> On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 3:50 PM Devin Heitmueller
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Michael,
> >
> > On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 5:45 AM Michael Niedermayer
> > wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 07:55:40PM -0400, Devin Heitmueller wrote:
> > > > On Th
Hi Kieran
On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 01:13:05PM +0100, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> On Fri, 23 May 2025, 12:33 Michael Niedermayer,
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Kieran
> >
> > On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 08:51:43AM +0100, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
> > wrote:
> > [...]
> > > I appreciate the way th
On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 3:50 PM Devin Heitmueller
wrote:
>
> Hello Michael,
>
> On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 5:45 AM Michael Niedermayer
> wrote:
> > On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 07:55:40PM -0400, Devin Heitmueller wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 7:42 PM Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
> > > wrote:
>
Hello Michael,
On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 5:45 AM Michael Niedermayer
wrote:
> On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 07:55:40PM -0400, Devin Heitmueller wrote:
> > On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 7:42 PM Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
> > wrote:
> > > I wanted to put on the record that adding RaptorQ to FFmpeg isn't
> >
On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 12:33 PM Michael Niedermayer
wrote:
>
> Hi Kieran
>
> On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 08:51:43AM +0100, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
> wrote:
> [...]
> > I appreciate the way the 2024 organisers ran STF was not exactly stellar
>
> It seems every mail you post is an attack on FFm
On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 5:58 AM Michael Niedermayer
wrote:
> Theres also the human element, where people are not machienes that can
> be placed and told things arbitrary. RaptorQ is "cool", ARQ is boring
>
> Some people enjoy working on "cool" things, dont tell them to work on
> boring things plea
Hello Lynne,
On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 11:48 PM Lynne wrote:
> > I see the task on the TRAC page for STF 2025, and while intellectually
> > interesting to a nerd like me who does lots of work with reliable
> > protocols, I'm not confident this particular protocol makes much sense
> > to work on, es
On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 11:45:14AM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> Hi
[...]
> > I agree with Kieran that this seems to largely be outside the STF
> > objectives (i.e. sustainability for open source projects).
>
> A new implementation of RIST, SRT, Raptor and so on may fall outside
> but redesi
On Fri, 23 May 2025, 12:33 Michael Niedermayer,
wrote:
> Hi Kieran
>
> On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 08:51:43AM +0100, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
> wrote:
> [...]
> > I appreciate the way the 2024 organisers ran STF was not exactly stellar
>
> It seems every mail you post is an attack on FFmpeg or
Hi Kieran
On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 08:51:43AM +0100, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
[...]
> I appreciate the way the 2024 organisers ran STF was not exactly stellar
It seems every mail you post is an attack on FFmpeg or the FFmpeg Team
And its alot of different people you target. And often
On Fri, 23 May 2025, 10:45 Michael Niedermayer,
wrote:
> Hi
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 07:55:40PM -0400, Devin Heitmueller wrote:
> > On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 7:42 PM Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
> > wrote:
> > > I wanted to put on the record that adding RaptorQ to FFmpeg isn't
> > > maintenan
On Fri, 23 May 2025, 10:58 Michael Niedermayer,
wrote:
> On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 11:45:14AM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > Hi
> [...]
> > > I agree with Kieran that this seems to largely be outside the STF
> > > objectives (i.e. sustainability for open source projects).
> >
> > A new imple
On 23/05/2025 15:50, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
On Fri, 23 May 2025, 04:44 Lynne, wrote:
On 23/05/2025 08:42, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
Hello,
I wanted to put on the record that adding RaptorQ to FFmpeg isn't
maintenance of FFmpeg.
It isn't -- it's research.
It's ad
Hi
On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 07:55:40PM -0400, Devin Heitmueller wrote:
> On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 7:42 PM Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
> wrote:
> > I wanted to put on the record that adding RaptorQ to FFmpeg isn't
> > maintenance of FFmpeg.
i agree adding RaptorQ itself is probably not maintenan
On Fri, 23 May 2025, 04:44 Lynne, wrote:
> On 23/05/2025 08:42, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I wanted to put on the record that adding RaptorQ to FFmpeg isn't
> > maintenance of FFmpeg.
>
> It isn't -- it's research.
>
STF isn't for "fun things I want to work on"
I a
On Fri, 23 May 2025, 04:44 Lynne, wrote:
> On 23/05/2025 08:42, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I wanted to put on the record that adding RaptorQ to FFmpeg isn't
> > maintenance of FFmpeg.
>
> It isn't -- it's research.
> > It's adding an obscure FEC protocol to FFmpeg, w
On 23/05/2025 08:55, Devin Heitmueller wrote:
On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 7:42 PM Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
wrote:
I wanted to put on the record that adding RaptorQ to FFmpeg isn't
maintenance of FFmpeg.
It's adding an obscure FEC protocol to FFmpeg, which is not going to be
implemented well
On 23/05/2025 08:42, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
Hello,
I wanted to put on the record that adding RaptorQ to FFmpeg isn't
maintenance of FFmpeg.
It isn't -- it's research.
It's adding an obscure FEC protocol to FFmpeg, which is not going to be
implemented well without an event loop
On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 7:42 PM Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
wrote:
> I wanted to put on the record that adding RaptorQ to FFmpeg isn't
> maintenance of FFmpeg.
>
> It's adding an obscure FEC protocol to FFmpeg, which is not going to be
> implemented well without an event loop anyway.
>
> I do n
Hello,
I wanted to put on the record that adding RaptorQ to FFmpeg isn't
maintenance of FFmpeg.
It's adding an obscure FEC protocol to FFmpeg, which is not going to be
implemented well without an event loop anyway.
I do not think it's a suitable STF project.
Regards,
Kieran Kunhya
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