On Mon, Dec 25, 2023 at 11:22:40AM -0600, Leo Izen wrote:
> On 12/21/23 21:32, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> >
> > Can you think of a way to add some lines of code to this that makes it more
> > maintainable ?
> >
> > if yes, then i think you proofed that adding code can reduce maintaince
> > bu
On 12/21/23 21:32, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
Can you think of a way to add some lines of code to this that makes it more
maintainable ?
if yes, then i think you proofed that adding code can reduce maintaince burden
thx
This is clearly not the point here. The point is that an in-house modu
On Sun, Dec 24, 2023 at 6:22 PM Michael Niedermayer
wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 24, 2023 at 04:11:30PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> > Tomas Härdin (12023-12-24):
> > > Nah, NIH is bad.
> >
> > Then you need to find a different project. FFmpeg exists because a
> > genius hacker decided to NIH a MPEG so
sön 2023-12-24 klockan 18:21 +0100 skrev Michael Niedermayer:
> On Sun, Dec 24, 2023 at 04:11:30PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> > Tomas Härdin (12023-12-24):
> > > Nah, NIH is bad.
> >
> > Then you need to find a different project. FFmpeg exists because a
> > genius hacker decided to NIH a MPEG
On Sun, Dec 24, 2023 at 04:11:30PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> Tomas Härdin (12023-12-24):
> > Nah, NIH is bad.
>
> Then you need to find a different project. FFmpeg exists because a
> genius hacker decided to NIH a MPEG software decoder.
Please stop attacking Tomas!
FFmpeg exists because man
Tomas Härdin (12023-12-24):
> Nah, NIH is bad.
Then you need to find a different project. FFmpeg exists because a
genius hacker decided to NIH a MPEG software decoder.
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On Sun, Dec 24, 2023 at 3:33 PM Tomas Härdin wrote:
> sön 2023-12-24 klockan 13:12 +0100 skrev Nicolas George:
> > Tomas Härdin (12023-12-24):
> > > But I'd prefer if it were replaced by bmxlib.
> >
> > Yes, we know that you have not understood that the raison d'être of
> > FFmpeg is to IMPLEMENT
sön 2023-12-24 klockan 13:12 +0100 skrev Nicolas George:
> Tomas Härdin (12023-12-24):
> > But I'd prefer if it were replaced by bmxlib.
>
> Yes, we know that you have not understood that the raison d'être of
> FFmpeg is to IMPLEMENT natively all multimedia formats and protocols
> and
> the utilit
On 12/24/2023 9:12 AM, Nicolas George wrote:
Tomas Härdin (12023-12-24):
But I'd prefer if it were replaced by bmxlib.
Yes, we know that you have not understood that the raison d'être of
FFmpeg is to IMPLEMENT natively all multimedia formats and protocols and
the utility code they need, not be
Tomas Härdin (12023-12-24):
> But I'd prefer if it were replaced by bmxlib.
Yes, we know that you have not understood that the raison d'être of
FFmpeg is to IMPLEMENT natively all multimedia formats and protocols and
the utility code they need, not be a mere collection of wrappers.
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fre 2023-12-22 klockan 10:09 -0300 skrev James Almer:
> On 12/21/2023 5:05 PM, Paul B Mahol wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 8:43 PM Tomas Härdin
> > wrote:
> >
> > > ons 2023-12-20 klockan 20:11 +0100 skrev Michael Niedermayer:
> > > > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 05:57:40PM +0100, Tomas Härdin wro
Hi Nicolas
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 09:31:00PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> Paul B Mahol (12023-12-21):
> > Say what serious feature you contributed ? - Nothing.
>
> I did not want to say it, but since it is now in the open: Not nothing:
> negative.
Just because someone attacks someone else doe
On 12/21/2023 5:05 PM, Paul B Mahol wrote:
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 8:43 PM Tomas Härdin wrote:
ons 2023-12-20 klockan 20:11 +0100 skrev Michael Niedermayer:
On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 05:57:40PM +0100, Tomas Härdin wrote:
tis 2023-12-19 klockan 15:02 +0100 skrev Nicolas George:
[...]
[...] ,
On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 7:28 AM Anton Khirnov wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> Quoting Paul B Mahol (2023-12-21 21:05:18)
> > Say what serious feature you contributed ? - Nothing.
>
> this is a personal attach. Personal attacks are not allowed on this
> mailing list. Please refrain from them in the future.
>
Hi Paul,
Quoting Paul B Mahol (2023-12-21 21:05:18)
> Say what serious feature you contributed ? - Nothing.
this is a personal attach. Personal attacks are not allowed on this
mailing list. Please refrain from them in the future.
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On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 08:43:16PM +0100, Tomas Härdin wrote:
> ons 2023-12-20 klockan 20:11 +0100 skrev Michael Niedermayer:
> > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 05:57:40PM +0100, Tomas Härdin wrote:
> > > tis 2023-12-19 klockan 15:02 +0100 skrev Nicolas George:
> > [...]
> > > [...] , but every line of co
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 05:37:58PM -0500, Vittorio Giovara wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 5:22 PM Nicolas George wrote:
>
> > Vittorio Giovara (12023-12-21):
> > > Oh so you know how it feels!
> >
> > I am not surprised to see your animosity against me is stronger than
> > your care about the p
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 6:14 PM Nicolas George wrote:
> Vittorio Giovara (12023-12-21):
> > I agree, I hope you can work on your lack of self-awareness.
>
> Oh, the “Ah ?… Et moi, Cyrano-Savinien-Hercule De Bergerac.” comeback.
> You're really scrapping the bottom of the barrel, aren't your.
>
N
Vittorio Giovara (12023-12-21):
> I agree, I hope you can work on your lack of self-awareness.
Oh, the “Ah ?… Et moi, Cyrano-Savinien-Hercule De Bergerac.” comeback.
You're really scrapping the bottom of the barrel, aren't your.
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On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 5:41 PM Nicolas George wrote:
> Vittorio Giovara (12023-12-21):
> > Not sure what gave you the idea
>
> Mails like this one for example. The lack of self-awareness is
> hilarious.
>
I agree, I hope you can work on your lack of self-awareness.
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Vittorio Giovara (12023-12-21):
> Not sure what gave you the idea
Mails like this one for example. The lack of self-awareness is
hilarious.
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On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 5:22 PM Nicolas George wrote:
> Vittorio Giovara (12023-12-21):
> > Oh so you know how it feels!
>
> I am not surprised to see your animosity against me is stronger than
> your care about the project.
>
Not sure what gave you the idea, but I have no animosity towards you
Vittorio Giovara (12023-12-21):
> Oh so you know how it feels!
I am not surprised to see your animosity against me is stronger than
your care about the project.
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On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 3:05 PM Paul B Mahol wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 8:43 PM Tomas Härdin wrote:
>
> > ons 2023-12-20 klockan 20:11 +0100 skrev Michael Niedermayer:
> > > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 05:57:40PM +0100, Tomas Härdin wrote:
> > > > tis 2023-12-19 klockan 15:02 +0100 skrev Nicol
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 3:31 PM Nicolas George wrote:
> Paul B Mahol (12023-12-21):
> > Say what serious feature you contributed ? - Nothing.
>
> I did not want to say it, but since it is now in the open: Not nothing:
> negative. His naysaying discouraged me from working further on the
> built-in
Paul B Mahol (12023-12-21):
> Say what serious feature you contributed ? - Nothing.
I did not want to say it, but since it is now in the open: Not nothing:
negative. His naysaying discouraged me from working further on the
built-in documentation system.
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On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 8:43 PM Tomas Härdin wrote:
> ons 2023-12-20 klockan 20:11 +0100 skrev Michael Niedermayer:
> > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 05:57:40PM +0100, Tomas Härdin wrote:
> > > tis 2023-12-19 klockan 15:02 +0100 skrev Nicolas George:
> > [...]
> > > [...] , but every line of code
> > >
ons 2023-12-20 klockan 20:11 +0100 skrev Michael Niedermayer:
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 05:57:40PM +0100, Tomas Härdin wrote:
> > tis 2023-12-19 klockan 15:02 +0100 skrev Nicolas George:
> [...]
> > [...] , but every line of code
> > carries with it a non-zero maintenance burden
>
> Assuming you m
On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 05:57:40PM +0100, Tomas Härdin wrote:
> tis 2023-12-19 klockan 15:02 +0100 skrev Nicolas George:
[...]
> [...] , but every line of code
> carries with it a non-zero maintenance burden
Assuming you mean with "non-zero" a "larger than zero" maintenance burden
then we can pro
Tomas Härdin (12023-12-20):
> I'm not even sure what this is trying to say, but every line of code
> carries with it a non-zero maintenance burden
Sure, if you want. But for some parts of FFmpeg, like the one we are
discussing, the maintenance burden is so small that we wasted ten time
as much ene
tis 2023-12-19 klockan 15:02 +0100 skrev Nicolas George:
> Tomas Härdin (12023-12-19):
> > Technical debt concerns everyone
>
> There is no technical debt. There is never a technical debt from
> something that can be removed at an instant notice and that some are
> considering removing now
I'm no
Tomas Härdin (12023-12-19):
> Technical debt concerns everyone
There is no technical debt. There is never a technical debt from
something that can be removed at an instant notice and that some are
considering removing now.
Learn from the Dread Pirate Roberts: always put off stupid things until
th
tis 2023-12-05 klockan 08:44 +0100 skrev Nicolas George:
> Vittorio Giovara (12023-12-04):
> > It's almost 2024, when will you be able to drop it?
>
> Never. When will YOU be able to drop bickering about parts of the
> code
> that do no harm and do not bother you?
Technical debt concerns everyone
Quoting James Almer (2023-12-06 21:49:45)
> On 12/2/2023 12:53 PM, Anton Khirnov wrote:
> > Its author not only failed to add any tests, as is required by the
> > development rules, but continues to actively refuse to do so.
> >
> > Untested decoders are worse than useless, so remove it.
> > ---
>
I ain't reading all of that
Happy for you
Or sorry that happened
On Wed, Dec 6, 2023 at 3:47 PM Nicolas George wrote:
> Vittorio Giovara (12023-12-05):
> > Your attitude for "omgfeatures" is also pretty toxic, there are heaps of
> > literature about feature creep and how important it is to remov
On 12/2/2023 12:53 PM, Anton Khirnov wrote:
Its author not only failed to add any tests, as is required by the
development rules, but continues to actively refuse to do so.
Untested decoders are worse than useless, so remove it.
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Vittorio Giovara (12023-12-05):
> Your attitude for "omgfeatures" is also pretty toxic, there are heaps of
> literature about feature creep and how important it is to remove dead code.
You should read said literature before quoting it, you would learn the
difference between more features and featu
On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 9:59 AM Nicolas George wrote:
> Vittorio Giovara (12023-12-05):
> > I'm not bickering,
>
> That is exactly what you do.
>
And you are not? The view must be great from that glass house
> actively include testing as part of the bare minimum process to accept the
> > patch/r
Vittorio Giovara (12023-12-05):
> I'm not bickering,
That is exactly what you do.
> actively include testing as part of the bare minimum process to accept the
> patch/review is harming the whole generation of developers.
I agree that Paul's attitude is utterly toxic to the project, but
Anton's a
On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 2:45 AM Nicolas George wrote:
> Vittorio Giovara (12023-12-04):
> > It's almost 2024, when will you be able to drop it?
>
> Never. When will YOU be able to drop bickering about parts of the code
> that do no harm and do not bother you?
>
I'm not bickering, we're having a d
Vittorio Giovara (12023-12-04):
> It's almost 2024, when will you be able to drop it?
Never. When will YOU be able to drop bickering about parts of the code
that do no harm and do not bother you?
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On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 1:53 PM Nicolas George wrote:
> Anton Khirnov (12023-12-02):
> > Its author not only failed to add any tests, as is required by the
> > development rules, but continues to actively refuse to do so.
> >
> > Untested decoders are worse than useless, so remove it.
>
> Only tes
Hi,
On Sat, 2 Dec 2023, at 19:55, Paul B Mahol wrote:
> Its not hard to add/write test, and even its easy to upload test sample to
> server, but last time I did it people complained of too big samples.
What is too big a sample?
What's the problem with large samples?
What is the documented officia
Anton Khirnov (12023-12-02):
> Its author not only failed to add any tests, as is required by the
> development rules, but continues to actively refuse to do so.
>
> Untested decoders are worse than useless, so remove it.
Only tested manually ≠ untested.
A code that works is better than no code
On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 7:20 PM Cosmin Stejerean via ffmpeg-devel <
ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:
>
>
> > On Dec 2, 2023, at 7:53 AM, Anton Khirnov wrote:
> >
> > Its author not only failed to add any tests, as is required by the
> > development rules, but continues to actively refuse to do so.
> On Dec 2, 2023, at 7:53 AM, Anton Khirnov wrote:
>
> Its author not only failed to add any tests, as is required by the
> development rules, but continues to actively refuse to do so.
>
> Untested decoders are worse than useless, so remove it.
While I agree that decoders (among other things
What a nice narrative.
Yes, remove this decoder.
And keep two sonic decoders at same time of questionable code quality,
functionality and what not.
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Its author not only failed to add any tests, as is required by the
development rules, but continues to actively refuse to do so.
Untested decoders are worse than useless, so remove it.
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