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Le 2009-05-02 05:40, Max Spevack a écrit :
> http://www.libregraphicsmeeting.org/2009/
>
> Is anyone from the Fedora community attending this?
>
> --Max
>
I would love to but my schedule is full for the week. =(
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to use xorg.conf. The new evdev and linuxwacom
0.8.2.2 supports pressure sensitivity out of box, you need to set up
on both Gimp and Inkscape through "Input Device" set to screen mode.
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org.conf back to F10 which actually causes some painful issues
(kernel panic on shutdown, fun things like that) ) but it's liveable. I
heard that a fix for this went into F11.
>
> ~m
>
>
I can confirm the fix (courtesy of Peter Hutterer)work well on Fedora
Rawhide (soon to be Leonid
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others?), that will be really appreciated because it should cultural
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l-list, look for task to do on
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService
and wait for review.
|
| Anything else you'd like to add?
|
|
Not at all.
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I started to write a few answer but it is not completed yet.
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Máirín Duffy a écrit :
| - Original Message
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|> From: Luya Tshimbalanga
|> To: Fedora Art List
|> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:12:10 PM
|> Subject: Re: New Concept for F11 King
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bined with Greek
pattern. I am wonder about media (CD/DVD) because detai;s
might be costly to be printed.
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ise, That King wallpaper should be
included once licenses have been verified.
*Graphic Design course is finally completed. Yay!*
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cense before. I wonder if it is GPL or CC compatible.
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time the best one is not
from designers themselves . =)--
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uploaded wrong
| version?
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| Martin
I indeed uploaded wrong version. Link should get the right one.
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Ian Weller a écrit :
| On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 11:07:38PM -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
|> Setting in critic mode:
|> Did you use hyphen or em dashes in first and last paragraph?
|> Careful with the widow at the end of last paragraph?
ss.
http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/devices/computer.svg
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Setting in critic mode:
Did you use hyphen or em dashes in first and last paragraph?
Careful with the widow at the end of last paragraph?
Title "Chapter 2: Friends" is hard to read due to similar hue. Enlighten it
might help.
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Quoting Martin Sourada :
> Hi,
>
> I've also finished new document-open icon set [1]. There's not much to
> comment since it's basically just an adaptation of the current Echo icon
> to perspective projection.
Could you match the text from 256x256 to the rest? It is odd the alignment is
not the s
distorted compared to the dimetric version. I've also covered Greenland
| with ice ;-)
Continents will still look distorted. No much comments to add with other
folder variants.
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x27;ve followed
| gnome-icon-theme design in this one so that it is consistent with
| user-home.
Will the search symbol inside this folder be used as standalone instead
of binocular?
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Nothin special as I did while taking a break from assignment.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Artwork#Mock-ups
I may consider making some pattern for on old jars.
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Máirín Duffy a écrit :
| Hi folks,
|
| Perhaps we're not quite ready this year, but something we
| might want to think about in the future is submitting some
| of our works to a big design competition like AIGA's annual
| 365 design competition. If we
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Konstantinos Antonakoglou a écrit :
|
| For the natural elements part, I believe olive trees could be an
| addition, as they are symbols of glory & peace. In ancient Greece olive
| was sacred.
Agreed. Olive trees are excellent choice for the theme.
L
Quoting MáirÃÂn Duffy :
> Hi folks,
>
> This is a really really sloppy mockup but hopefully illustrates the kind
> of visuals I'm thinking of for F11:
>
>
https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/8/83/Artwork_F11_greek-concept_mockup1_mo.png
I think of desolation when I see that image with a ruins
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Mark a écrit :
| So, to get back on my initial topic..
| How do you guys feel about a full theme in the old fedora (Core 1 till
| 4) colors?
| The link with the F11 name is (just making it up now) : Reviving old
| days. (the name represents something
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Nicu Buculei a écrit :
|
|
| Not sure what would be the best option, but how about a nautilus
blueprint? This way we have a link with Greece (golden ratio), water
(nautilus) and steampunk (blueprint). And maybe throw in some
mathematical formulas f
Quoting Martin Sourada :
> Sorry for the second mail, I forgot to actually add the reference.
>
> [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/MonthlyNews/Issue4-5
>
>
News submitted on Fedora Forum [1]
Luya
[1]http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=210042
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Tylan Lee a écrit :
> Hello everyone,
>
> I'm excited to be apart of this art team, so let me introduce myself. I
> originally went to school for recording engineering, got hired at Apple
> teaching people how to use the music software, but later wanted to explore my
> drawing capabilities. I mo
Martin Sourada a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> As I am working on the new Trash Can icon for the Echo Icon Theme, I was
> wondering whether it would be acceptable to use small amount of
> post-processing in the icon themes. If so, I'd probably implement it to
> the echo-artist scripts so that the PNGs would be
Pantelis Vratsalis a écrit :
> Hello all.
>
> I'm interested in getting involved in the project. I'm quite new to
> fedora (a few months - switched from other distros) and would like to
> start contributing artwork and be supportive to this great community.
>
Hello Pantelis,
Welcome to Fedora Artw
Just completed installation to Fedora 10. Added in Echo Perspective is
trash concept based on
real object using Martin's gradients. Feedback welcome.
Luya
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Quoting Martin Sourada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> As promised , here's [1] a new design concept. I'd say it's more
> realistic and less Echoey, but IMHO looks good :-)
Could you give version with the set of icon size?
Luya - having finished a Saturday class ...
_
Martin Sourada a écrit :
> If you'd like, you can consider it a competition. The prize is obvious -
> the selected design will be visible on every desktop using the Echo
> Perspective icon set. Though I'd rather consider it a gathering of
> ideas... :-D
>
> Also, I would not like this to be limited
> 16x16 should be definitely flat, I am still considering whether 24x24 as
> well, but seeing how gnome handles that, probably not...
>
> Martin
Since 22x22 and 24x24 appears to be the main problem, perhaps using
table perspective
might do the trick.
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Martin Sourada a écrit :
> Finally I'd like to throw some fuel for discussion (mainly on the
> art-list). We are a lot criticized for inconsistencies in the projection
> we use in echo. Strictly speaking we are using 3 different types of
> projections and we have rules which is used where and we ar
Martin Sourada a écrit :
>
> I suppose you're talking about the 16x16 version? It should be fixed
> now. Check the attachment.
>
>
Yes, that 16x16 version. Could you sightly reduce gradient on
upper-right? Other than that, no further comment.
Luya
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Martin Sourada a écrit :
> On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 00:57 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
>
>> Seeing the preview, a serif typeface is much a better approach than
>> using sans-serif.
>>
>> Luya
>>
>>
> I've updated the icons, following N
Martin Sourada a écrit :
> Looking better but still not good enough, I think. Try to shape the icon
> in similar style like in gnome icon theme (with "isometric" pesrspective
> though). You should add shadow as well.
>
> Martin
>
New version of emblem-symbolic-link.
Luya
References:
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Martin Sourada a écrit :
>
> To me, everything below 32x32 is almost unreadable. The side of the keys
> is too dark and as a result outline gets lost there. Did you tried
> making the key shape a little pyramid-like? I'd suggest to bring the
> keys closer, or even join them together in the smallest
Bill Nottingham a écrit :
>
>
> Regarding this, we also have bluecurve icons still which are also
> an isometric perspective, but a different one from Echo.
>
> For Echo replacing these seems to be a ToDo later item
> (https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/ToDo/GnomeMenus); if
> we stick wi
to fix these there?
>
> Currently, the bluecurve icons that people see are:
> - the OpenOffice app start icons
> - Desktop Effects
> - the anaconda pixmaps/icons
>
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Blame me for pushing Echo through FESCO. After following suggestion for
submitting it to FESCO, I was a bit surprised that icon set was
accepted. Were it rejected, we will not have to deal with current
issue. In one part we'd withdraw Echo while taking a hit from
outside for once again not inc
t will be nice get one of kde-sig members to keep track
inside Echo icon website[1] for future Fedora release.
References:
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Martin Sourada a écrit :
> First the most obvious issue - you used wrong perspective. It's an
> emblem icon and thus it needs to use the "isometric" perspective. Also I
> think it would work better if the arrow was thinner. I'd suggest you try
> to recreate it yourself and use rounded edges even fo
Martin Sourada a écrit :
>
> Looking better. Now the only icon that does not seem crisp enough for me
> is the 22x22. I think you need to simplify the design there (like has
> been done for the 16x16). I think it would look better if the progress
> bar in 16x16 was thicker (perhaps two or three pix
Martin Sourada a écrit :
> I think all the sizes sans 256x256 need further fixes to look more crisp
> and be better recognisable. For the 16x16 I'd rather use radio button +
> progress bar than two radio buttons.
>
Updated icon set.
Luya
References
http://luya.fedorapeople.org
No further comment.
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Nicu Buculei a écrit :
>
> Attached: I copied the widgets to the green window, the icon was
> unbalanced without them.
>
Good catch. I have updated the model to fix some blurriness on 16x16.
Luya
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Martin Sourada a écrit :
>
> I think it would be better if you added some button on the vast space
> inside the window, rather than in the menu, or toolbar or whatever it
> is. The current one looks sort of strange to me. Also the menu for the
> green one would be probably better in dark green than
Martin Sourada a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> I've just finished an updated echo one-canvas template. I added gradient
> samples. Posting here for consideration.
>
> Martin
>
The concept is very good and I like Nicu's version where gradient on
their own layer.
Perhaps echo-artist package should get that ve
Nicu Buculei a écrit :
>
> I think you also put some color for the content of the windows, to
> make the distinction clearer (how about a "normal" one and an
> "inverted" another"?).
> And if you are going with themed windows, they need some details: a
> few buttons and panels.
>
I have updated the
Nicu Buculei a écrit :
> Martin Sourada wrote:
>>
>> After few tries I decided to go "button-like". It is like you create a
>> button with the shape of the original letter, but without any holes in
>> it and draw the letter on it. First it is consistent with e.g.
>> dialog-cancel design, second it
Martin Sourada a écrit :
>
>> Speaking about paper-template, it will be nice to set a directory to
>> store such template in git repository.
>>
> I think of having them part of the echo-artist scripts (so in git they
> would be in the echo-artist sources), as well as available directly on
> th
Martin Sourada a écrit :
> I've slightly changed the 22x22 version of the paper template to be more
> consistent with the other variants (basically I made it 1 pixel
> shorter), you should update the image-missing too (the change is small
> but makes it look better). When done I have no further com
Hi Máirín,
Máirín Duffy a écrit :
> If the logomark and logotype are used as two separate design elements,
> they are going to need more clear spacing between them. See:
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines#Logo_Clear_Space
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines#
Nicu Buculei a écrit :
>
> I think it is too simple, 3 colored planes are not a metaphor for
> changing the look of the desktop. How about having 2 or 3 application
> windows in different colors?
Might try that. I will make tshirt version as suggested by Martin.
Luya
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Fedora forum. You
New version of image-missing based on gnome metaphor. I have create a
template called paper-template which will be the base of incoming
mimetype icons.
Luya
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Martin Sourada a écrit :
>
> Something's strange, not sure what though. Perhaps you could try to make
> the "X" read instead of the paper and use semitransparent/greyscale
> image below it on the paper to suggest that it's a (missing) image? Or
> perhaps try different metaphor? The gnome metaphor s
Martin Sourada a écrit :
> On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 03:23 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
>
>> I looked to Oxygen icon version and was wondering if there were a power
>> plug with extension.
>> This version is not bad but the 256x256 network-(dis)connect looks
>> st
Martin Sourada a écrit :
> On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 05:04 -0400, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
>
>> Quoting Martin Sourada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I've just finished the network-(dis)connect icon series, the met
gt; Comments welcome,
> Martin
>
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Martin Sourada a écrit :
>
> Me too. I think it just don't make sense to make echo from gnome icons
> or the other way round. They're two different icon themes and should
> stay such - but compatible when it comes to metaphors.
My bad. I meant that upstream gnome may have Echo version no different
Samuele Storari a écrit :
> Anyway... I fixed Solar wall paper with a moon taken from
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Full_moon.png which is public
> domain and is possible to use.
> After it, I will fix also invinxible so we can leave it on wiki.
>
There is a tsuka image from wikipedi
Quoting Matthias Clasen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 22:09 -0400, MáirÃn Duffy wrote:
> > Matthias Clasen wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 18:22 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
> > >> Bill Nottingham a écrit :
> > &g
Quoting Máirín Duffy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Is it realistic to expect this to happen?
>
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Bill Nottingham a écrit :
> Looking at the desktop now (beta), I see:
>
> - at least three different icon perspectives in the stock menus
> (echo, 'stock', bluecurve)
>
I think Bluecurve mix are desktop bug. Current Fedora default theme used
Bluecurve from some applications, same issue occurs
William Jon McCann a écrit :
> Hi Bill,
>
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Bill Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> When we approved Echo as the default icon theme for F10, I was under the
>> assumption that this was already more or less known as a feature to the
>> Desktop group, and t
Klaatu a écrit :
> The rules and licensing issues were clear to me when I joined a few
> months ago.
>
> I think a quick reference guide on what is ok to use and what is not
> ok to use might be a good idea, though, just because i think everyone
> must get a little confused from time to time about
Martin Sourada a écrit :
> Still not quite right, so I decided to give it a go myself to see what
> can be done. See the attached result. Note that I also slightly changed
> the gradient to better fit with other icons (most notably I made it
> brighter).
>
I saw that you increased outline to 2.5
Excellent. No further comment.
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Máirín Duffy a écrit :
> Hi Luya,
>
>
> Would you mind giving us a summary?
>
Sure, here is summary of comments from fedora-fr for each theme:
About Solar:
- Sun to bright from one voter
- Effects that brought back the success of Flying High theme from Fedora 7
- the most favourite theme by far
Martin Sourada a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> I've just slightly updated 22x22 version of the dialog-* icons and
> process-stop and added two new icons which share the same design concept
> - help-information and window-close. For convenience I attach 32x32
> versions, one canvas SVGs and PNGs are at my fp.o
Martin Sourada a écrit :
> The problem with Diana's version is usability. Due to the chosen colour
> combination and shape it's pretty hard to make it look crisp and
> distinctive in smaller sizes.
>
> So I decided to try metal/blue glass combination for the trash icon with
> more traditional shape
A poll was made following my posting[1] about the four theme that
qualified for Round 3 in fedora-fr (the forum lacked tool for poll).
You can view the result [2]. Use a translator as the posts are in French
language.
Luya
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[1] http://forums.fedora-fr.org/viewtopic.p
Pavel Shevchuk a écrit :
> I fail to recall any transparent trash bins. This one looks like glass
> of water =\
>
>
Some themes use transparent trash bins.
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Martin Sourada a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> I think there some major problems with how the current trash related
> icons look in small sizes and I've tried to fix them once already, but
> since I didn't want to touch the Diana's original design (the trash is
> one of the first icons that were in the Echo se
Martin Sourada a écrit :
>
> I see your point... My idea was something like: tick symbolises that
> it's OK and the semi-transparent junk symbol suggests that it's about
> the junk - i.e. the mail is not junk... But well, seems it's too complex
> metaphor to grasp on first try (which is bad). What
Martin Sourada a écrit :
> $ /usr/bin/inkscape -i rect5319
> -e /home/martin/Projects/Echo/git/base/16x16/actions/object-rotate-left.png
> object-rotate-left.svg > /dev/null 2>&1
>
> Seems like you imported another one-canvas SVG, but didn't removed the
> hidden plate layer, which of course import
Martin Sourada a écrit :
>
> Good, just check whether you have the 48x48 icon grouped and labelled as
> scalable (otherwise the scalable icon might end up being empty). I
> recently realised I tend to forgot to do that step (and it's possible I
> forgot to do it in the object-rotate-* icons), so I'
Martin Sourada a écrit :
> You are free to do so. Don't forget to let the echo-add-icon script also
> do the branch specific changes - it's not only adding symlinks, but also
> adding the icon to the build scripts (for master branch). You haven't
> done this for object-flip-* pushes (so I've done i
Martin Sourada a écrit :
>
>
> I've fixed the remaining issues, see the attachment (I've also removed
> unused defs in the SVG, so it's not that big now).
>
> Martin
>
Ok. There is no further comment. Shall I push it to git?
Luya
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Martin Sourada a écrit :
> The 256x256 is too thick, compare with object-rotate-left.
Whoops, corrected.
> The 48x48
> needs a little tweak on the out-most border, in top left corner of the
> canvas it's a little blurry.
Slight alignment set on left side.
> The 32x32 one seems to have blurry
> t
Martin Sourada a écrit :
> I attach further tweaks to improve the icon clarity.
>
> Martin
>
No further comment. I used this version to make object-rotate-right.
Luya
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Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams a écrit :
> The horizontal arm seems a bit too short and the curve not... curvy
> enough. It's hard to tell if this is a "rotate left" or a "drop here"
> icon.
>
>
Could you specify which version? On right side from top to bottom:
large(48x48), medium(32x32), small(22x22),
Martin Sourada a écrit :
> I was not suggesting using git (though it would be helpful too), I was
> suggesting using the space generally (like the ticket system, for
> releasing official tarbals, etc). But, yeah, if it were set up with git,
> I'd prepare some set of scripts for that as well :-)
>
Martin Sourada a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> we've briefly discussed with Mo on the irc, that it might be worth
> setting up a fedorahosted.org instance for the Fedora Art Team. Primary
> purpose would be to host our release graphics, but it could serve other
> purposes as well (e.g. using ticket system for
Andreas Nilsson a écrit :
> Would it be suitable to mention on the wiki under Benefits where it says:
> "A unique set of icon that combines elegance and usability."
> That it will also mean a drawback in terms of integration on Fedora
> for 3rd party developers such as Mozilla [1], Medsphere [2] a
I modified and stick Nicu's post[1] on Fedora Forum to be visible. If there is
some mistake, let me know so I can correct them.
References:
[1] http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=194915
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Máirín Duffy a écrit :
>
> Well to be honest I likely won't be but thanks for the invite. My
> interest right now is more in design work for marketing materials than
> icon work... some day I might try to help out but I've not ever really
> enjoyed icon work.
No problem, the door is always open and
Máirín Duffy a écrit :
>
> Oh wow, that's much, much better, great work :) I saw the modified
> horizontal one too but I still think that one needs a little tweaking.
> I'm not sure how though :(
>
Thanks Máirín. That tweaking can be done later after the icon set is
pushed in repository.
Otherwise,
Martin Sourada a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> The reason for this mail is simple - there are about eleven mail-* icons
> in the action context and two of them are missing in the echo icons,
> most of those also contain folder in the icon (letter folder) so it's
> good idea to recreate all of them in a batch a
amrita mukherjee a écrit :
> Hi,
> I am Amrita Mukherjee ,currently pursuing B-tech from Dr. B.C. Roy
> Engineering College. I am a member of DGPLUG group and presently doing
> some artwork with the help of inkscape. I would be highly delighted to
> be a member of this community and contribute
can get it on my fp.o
> page [1].
>
Minor issue of the globle on 256x256 icon.
Monitor and the global are hard to distinguish on extra small icon. Perhaps
adding outline on the globe might help .
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Martin Sourada a écrit :
> The metaphor might work (as we already discussed on #fedora-art), but I
> think it should be in apps context which means it needs to have
> isometric perspective.
>
>
Make sense.
> BTW. Did you start the icon using echo-new-icon to have everything set
> right? I am (al
Martin Sourada a écrit :
> Just a note that Fesco (and many art team members as well) has some
> concerns about coverage. Simply said if we don't achieve the Mist/gnome
> icon themes coverage, we'll be rolled back to Mist and wait for another
> release.
>
Well aware which is why extra manpower
Rahul Sundaram a écrit :
>
> Good move.
>
> Was comps.xml updated to reflect the new default in rawhide? Any
> communication with the desktop and kde teams?
>
Not yet. I got the news recently and need to contact both team.
Luya
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echo-icon-theme, please visit the website[3].
References:
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[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/FeatureList
[2] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/search/echo-artist
[3] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme
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P.S: a
icon has two boxes hard to distinguish due the cast of
light. Perhaps modifying the inline in opposite of gradient might help.
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