Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the "control-L" function

2009-11-05 Thread Rudiger Schierz
Am 21.10.2009, 00:14 Uhr, schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan : On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:47 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: Personally my favorite Evo-only feature (at least I've not seen other mail clients who use it) is how if you select a part of the message then reply, then only that part is quoted in you

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the"control-L"function

2009-10-21 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 09:46 -0400, Art Alexion wrote: > On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 08:24 -0400, Edgar Matzinger wrote: > > Hi Art, > > > As an editor, it is worse than Outlook (which is worse than anything > > True. > > > else) because it prohibits (not merely discourages) trimming and > > > bottom post

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the"control-L"function

2009-10-21 Thread Art Alexion
On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 08:24 -0400, Edgar Matzinger wrote: > > Hi Art, > > > > As an editor, it is worse than Outlook (which is worse than anything > > True. > > > else) because it prohibits (not merely discourages) trimming and > > bottom posting. > > Nonsense, outlook only discourages bottom p

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the"control-L"function

2009-10-21 Thread Edgar Matzinger
Hi Art, > > As an editor, it is worse than Outlook (which is worse than anything True. > else) because it prohibits (not merely discourages) trimming and > bottom posting. Nonsense, outlook only discourages bottom posting. You can easily edit/trim your post before sending it off. I do so regurl

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the"control-L"function

2009-10-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:51 -0400, Reid Thompson wrote: > On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 21:43 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > This, using Evo, is required because in business I have to use an > > Exchange server with IMAP and SMTP disabled. Ofc, Evo behaves better > > than OutLook and I know that I can ma

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the "control-L" function

2009-10-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 16:50 -0400, Art Alexion wrote: > Ironically, thinking back 15-18 years ago, it was the aol users we > hated because their mailer didn't quote anything and it was hard to > gauge context. You would get an email that just said, "yes" from > someone you hadn't recently asked a

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the "control-L" function

2009-10-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:47 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: > Personally my favorite Evo-only feature (at least I've not seen other > mail clients who use it) is how if you select a part of the message > then reply, then only that part is quoted in your reply. I also love this, but it's not unique to Evo

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the "control-L" function

2009-10-20 Thread Art Alexion
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:47 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: > Personally my favorite Evo-only feature (at least I've not seen other > mail clients who use it) is how if you select a part of the message > then > reply, then only that part is quoted in your reply. If you get used > to > this feature, then

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the"control-L"function

2009-10-20 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 04:35:56 -0400, Art Alexion escribió: > I thought the OpenMoko/Neo phones were merely > theoretical, because, until someone on this list mentioned one, I have > never heard of an actual sighting. I use an Openmoko FR as my daily and only mobile phone.

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the"control-L"function

2009-10-20 Thread George Reeke
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 22:34 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 04:23:28 -0400, Art Alexion escribió: > > > > This, using Evo, is required because in business I have to use an > > > Exchange server with IMAP and SMTP disabled. > > > > Matthais, > > > > Weren't y

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the"control-L"function

2009-10-20 Thread Art Alexion
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:35 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:33 -0400, Derek McDaniel wrote: > > Plus, I prefer not to trim because if I am on my BB, and I didn't > read > > the first post, I can read the middle and understand the gist of > > everything. > > Am I the on

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the"control-L"function

2009-10-20 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 04:23:28 -0400, Art Alexion escribió: > > This, using Evo, is required because in business I have to use an > > Exchange server with IMAP and SMTP disabled. > > Matthais, > > Weren't you the one chastising me for using a work-mandated Blackberry? Don't know

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the"control-L"function

2009-10-20 Thread Sean
Reid Thompson wrote: > On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 16:07 -0400, bgzgn...@sf.porterfield.net wrote: >> Matthias Apitz wrote: > try dG Wow, that's even better! Totally OT now, but I love vim more and more. :) -- Sean ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-l

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the"control-L"function

2009-10-20 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 04:20:51 -0400, Art Alexion escribió: > I can do it it with 3 -- 2, if you count combos as 1. > Shift+End,Del > > Undo it, Ctrl+z. > > Moreover, it works like every other text editor I use so I don't need > the additional step of looking up an arcane key com

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the"control-L"function

2009-10-20 Thread Art Alexion
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:43 -0400, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 03:28:53 -0400, Art Alexion > escribió: > > > On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:10 -0400, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > All this would not happen if you use a realy good MUA (like > 'mutt') > > > and a good text

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the"control-L"function

2009-10-20 Thread Art Alexion
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 16:07 -0400, bgzgn...@sf.porterfield.net wrote: > delete to end is hold Shift and Ctrl then press and > release End then press Del. Four keys vs 5. I can do it it with 3 -- 2, if you count combos as 1. Shift+End,Del Undo it, Ctrl+z. Moreover, it works like every other text

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the "control-L"function

2009-10-20 Thread bg
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 12:46, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 21:10 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 02:57:10 -0400, Derek McDaniel > > escribió: > > > > > Its much easier to top post to non-mailing list clients. bg: That is an astonishin

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the"control-L"function

2009-10-20 Thread bgzgnome
Matthias Apitz wrote: > Only one example: with .,$d i.e. with 5 key strokes I can remove > all from the actual line until the end of the text. An with one > key 'u' I get it back. I love vim! Just wanted to make sure I clarified that first. And, I didn't know about .,$d - very cool. I've just

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the"control-L"function

2009-10-20 Thread Chris G
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 03:28:53PM -0400, Art Alexion wrote: > On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:10 -0400, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > All this would not happen if you use a realy good MUA (like 'mutt') > > and a good text editor (like 'vim'), as I do. > > Matthias, I am clueless as to why you monitor and pa

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the "control-L"function

2009-10-20 Thread Chris G
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 02:57:10PM -0400, Derek McDaniel wrote: > > > > > El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 02:32:59 -0400, Ben May escribió: > > > > > All this discussion of top versus bottom posting got me thinking. If > > > there's ALREADY a function in evolution specifically for replying t

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the"control-L"function

2009-10-20 Thread Derek McDaniel
> The whole point of my suggestion is that I like choice, as do a lot of > others. We'll NEVER get the bottom-posters to agree that anything other > than bottom-posting is acceptable, and you'll NEVER get people who > aren't aware of the argument or who are agnostic to its outcome to > follow all

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the"control-L"function

2009-10-20 Thread Ben May
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:41 -0400, Derek McDaniel wrote: > > On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:33 -0400, Derek McDaniel wrote: > > > Plus, I prefer not to trim because if I am on my BB, and I didn't read > > > the first post, I can read the middle and understand the gist of > > > everything. > > > > Am

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the"control-L"function

2009-10-20 Thread Reid Thompson
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 21:43 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > This, using Evo, is required because in business I have to use an > Exchange server with IMAP and SMTP disabled. Ofc, Evo behaves better > than OutLook and I know that I can mark text before hitting reply > (but only one part of the old tex

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the "control-L"function

2009-10-20 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 21:10 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 02:57:10 -0400, Derek McDaniel escribió: > > > Its much easier to top post to non-mailing list clients. You need to > > realize, most people are not computer savy and don't care about the > > "netiquet

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the "control-L" function

2009-10-20 Thread Paul Smith
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:02 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > ... They responded that that wasn't > really the idea, since the poster is meant to edit the quote (removing > irrelevant material and inserting comments) and that's easier to do from > the top down. Nevertheless they did agree to incl

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the"control-L"function

2009-10-20 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 03:28:53 -0400, Art Alexion escribió: > On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:10 -0400, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > All this would not happen if you use a realy good MUA (like 'mutt') > > and a good text editor (like 'vim'), as I do. > > Matthias, I am clueless as to why yo

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the"control-L"function

2009-10-20 Thread Derek McDaniel
> On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:33 -0400, Derek McDaniel wrote: > > Plus, I prefer not to trim because if I am on my BB, and I didn't read > > the first post, I can read the middle and understand the gist of > > everything. > > Am I the only one getting that's getting a *really* bad feeling about > the

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the"control-L"function

2009-10-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:33 -0400, Derek McDaniel wrote: > Plus, I prefer not to trim because if I am on my BB, and I didn't read > the first post, I can read the middle and understand the gist of > everything. Am I the only one getting that's getting a *really* bad feeling about the long-term eff

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the "control-L" function

2009-10-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 14:32 -0400, Ben May wrote: > All this discussion of top versus bottom posting got me thinking. If > there's ALREADY a function in evolution specifically for replying to > mailing lists, couldn't we add configurations where you set: > > For regular reply or reply-to-all: {Use

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the"control-L"function

2009-10-20 Thread Derek McDaniel
> On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 14:57 -0400, Derek McDaniel wrote: > > They get confused and it makes more work > > for me to try and explain it. 90% of all users I email use top post > > except > > for mailing lists. > > You can minimize that confusion with proper trimming. With Evo (to get > this back o

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the"control-L"function

2009-10-20 Thread Art Alexion
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:10 -0400, Matthias Apitz wrote: > All this would not happen if you use a realy good MUA (like 'mutt') > and a good text editor (like 'vim'), as I do. Matthias, I am clueless as to why you monitor and participate in this list devoted to Evo if you use mutt and vim, and beli

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the"control-L"function

2009-10-20 Thread Art Alexion
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 14:57 -0400, Derek McDaniel wrote: > They get confused and it makes more work > for me to try and explain it. 90% of all users I email use top post > except > for mailing lists. You can minimize that confusion with proper trimming. With Evo (to get this back on topic), trimm

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the "control-L" function

2009-10-20 Thread Art Alexion
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 14:32 -0400, Ben May wrote: > All this discussion of top versus bottom posting got me thinking. If > there's ALREADY a function in evolution specifically for replying to > mailing lists, couldn't we add configurations where you set: > > For regular reply or reply-to-all: {Use

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the "control-L"function

2009-10-20 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 02:57:10 -0400, Derek McDaniel escribió: > Its much easier to top post to non-mailing list clients. You need to > realize, most people are not computer savy and don't care about the > "netiquette" as much as Linux users do. I wont bottom post to a client or >

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the "control-L"function

2009-10-20 Thread Derek McDaniel
> > El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 02:32:59 -0400, Ben May escribió: > > > All this discussion of top versus bottom posting got me thinking. If > > there's ALREADY a function in evolution specifically for replying to > > mailing lists, couldn't we add configurations where you set: > > > > F

Re: [Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the "control-L" function

2009-10-20 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día martes, octubre 20, 2009 a las 02:32:59 -0400, Ben May escribió: > All this discussion of top versus bottom posting got me thinking. If > there's ALREADY a function in evolution specifically for replying to > mailing lists, couldn't we add configurations where you set: > > For regular repl

[Evolution] top versus bottom posting and the "control-L" function

2009-10-20 Thread Ben May
All this discussion of top versus bottom posting got me thinking. If there's ALREADY a function in evolution specifically for replying to mailing lists, couldn't we add configurations where you set: For regular reply or reply-to-all: {Use top posting / Use bottom posting} For reply-to-mailing list