Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 01:45 +0200, Pascal Hasko Bernhard wrote: > If you rather into Debian use apt-pinning and take the Evo packages > from the experimental branch, that should be pretty cutting edge! Sorry, I dislike to chime in again, but don't recommend something like this. Experimental provid

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

Hi Tom, On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 22:33 +0200, Mark Elkins wrote: > Hi Tom, > > On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 20:15 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: > > Hi :) > > If "users will never compile anything" then why are we expected to do > > so? > > I'm a user. My choice of Operating System is Linux and my choice of >

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 01:29 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 00:25 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > On 26 August 2013 23:55, Tom Davies wrote: > I won the impression that most of those who continue to discuss with you > have another opinion than you've got. Most others

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 00:25 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On 26 August 2013 23:55, Tom Davies wrote: > Is that why people are getting so defensive about Evolution's > inability to provide what every other project seems to be able > to provide? > > > The current s

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

On 27 August 2013 00:08, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 23:48 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > > > Were do you get the information from, that not most users compile from > > > source? Is there a link to this information available? > > > > Sorry, I used my experience, I apologise that

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

On 26 August 2013 23:55, Tom Davies wrote: > Is that why people are getting so defensive about Evolution's inability to > provide what every other project seems to be able to provide? The current software set available in most Linux distros runs to several thousand packages. A typical installat

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 23:48 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > Were do you get the information from, that not most users compile from > > source? Is there a link to this information available? > > Sorry, I used my experience, I apologise that the statement isn't backed > up by a research project.

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

Hi :) Why was it good when someone else compiled it for you?  Was the compiled one easier to install?  This thread keeps going round in circles.  2 frequent assertions are that  *  All users find it easy to compile because it's so easy  *  No users can compile because it's tricky We have see

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

> > Were do you get the information from, that not most users compile from > source? Is there a link to this information available? Sorry, I used my experience, I apologise that the statement isn't backed up by a research project. ___ evolution-list

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 23:22 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > What is the downloads page for? > > It's for pointing people at the source code - remember, this is FOSS, > one of the requirements is that the source code is freely and easily > available. The distro, or anybody who distribute FLOSS has to

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

> > Do you have a list of distros i can use Evolution on? Yes, all of them. You can use Evolution on any distro. You might also find that most distros even package it up for you for your convenience. Tell me, are you being deliberately obtuse in asking all these bizarre illogical questions?

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

> > What is the downloads page for? It's for pointing people at the source code - remember, this is FOSS, one of the requirements is that the source code is freely and easily available. > It is obviously not for users to download Evolution for themselves > to use so who is it for? Some do u

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 22:29 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: > So each time Evolution produces a new release then we all just change > distro (except those using a rolling release, if it's one that has > upgraded). I for example don't report each minor bug to a bug tracker. I'm using latest version of Ev

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 22:33 +0200, Mark Elkins wrote: > Remember, (1) download, (2) unpackage (tar -xvzf package.tgz) > (around here - explore what you have just unpacked, read the README's > and other files like INSTALL and look for 'configure'. > (3) ./configure (with options), (4) make, (5)

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

Hi :) Ok, got it. So each time Evolution produces a new release then we all just change distro (except those using a rolling release, if it's one that has upgraded).  Regards from Tom :)  From: Andre Klapper To: Tom Davies Cc: "evolution-list@gnome.org"

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 16:13 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 20:54 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: > > Do you have a list of distros i can use Evolution on? > > Install openSUSE > zypper ar -f obs://GNOME:STABLE:3.8/openSUSE_12.3 GS3 > zypper dup --from GS38 > > Works great.

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

Hi Tom, On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 20:15 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > If "users will never compile anything" then why are we expected to do > so? I'm a user. My choice of Operating System is Linux and my choice of distribution (or flavour) of Linux happens to be Gentoo. More often than not, w

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 20:15 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: > > If "users will never compile anything" then why are we expected to do > > so? > > Users very often compile by their own, this is common practise for *nix > systems. It would be quite

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 20:54 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > So when i want to use Evolution i need to reboot the machine into a > different distro? I guess i might be able to use a virtual machine > right? > Do you have a list of distros i can use Evolution on? Install openSUSE zypper ar -

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 20:54 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: > Do you have a list of distros i can use Evolution on? You can do some work on your own. Perhaps Linux isn't what fits to your needs. Take a look at distrowatch and then check the policy and repositories of different distros. ___

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 15:50 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > You tell me to write to a 3rd party but then fail to give me an > > address of someone that will respond to my request. > > You do not know what distribution you are using? Since they > DISTRIBUTED the software to you... JFTR $

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 20:54 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > So when i want to use Evolution i need to reboot the machine into a > different distro? No. If you read what was written, this was only a recommendation "_If_ you can't talk to the team of your distro". I guess the intention was more o

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 20:15 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > If "users will never compile anything" then why are we expected to do > so? They are not; nobody said they were. > You say that Evo is available from the downloads page. I did not say any such thing. And it would depend upon your

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

Hi :) So when i want to use Evolution i need to reboot the machine into a different distro?  I guess i might be able to use a virtual machine right?  Do you have a list of distros i can use Evolution on?  Regards from Tom :)  From: Ralf Mardorf To: evolu

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 20:15 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: > If "users will never compile anything" then why are we expected to do > so? There is diversity. Some people compile (or use distros that require this). Some use precompiled packages (or distros that provide this). > So how are users expecte

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 20:15 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: > If "users will never compile anything" then why are we expected to do > so? Users very often compile by their own, this is common practise for *nix systems. > So how are users expected to get the latest versions of Evo? Just > wait until wh

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

Hi :) If "users will never compile anything" then why are we expected to do so?  You say that Evo is available from the downloads page.  However, the only versions available from there need to be compiled in order to be used.  If users are unable to compile anything then the downloads page ha

Re: [Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 11:35 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > There are several websites that allow you to post bounties on project > bugs. I have bounties on project bugs, including ones on Evolution. > Some have been closed. > > Generally the developer's response is - I don't care. In the

Re: [Evolution] downloads page

JFTR every distro is free to have it's own policy and usually they've got reasons for doing things the way they do it. FWIW I'm an Arch Linux user and AFAIK it always supports the latest version of Evolution available as binary by a package, this at least s the policy, while the default packages sh

Re: [Evolution] downloads page

On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 19:39 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 11:57 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: > > The question would then be "how do we increase the teams 'man'power". > > However it is becoming clearer and clearer that the opposite is true. > > This project seems keen to exclude ou

[Evolution] 6 months to 12 months [Was: downloads page]

On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 10:38 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: > It is part of the same question. I'm just having to reach a lot > further back than i expected. > Lets look at another tack. Why is Evo having to drop from a 6 monthly > to a 1/year release? Does it lack personnel? Do the devs often find

[Evolution] Idealism face plants against asphalt [Was: downloads page]

On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 14:24 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: > Quality often seems to come with quantity. Eh? > In anarchist/co-operative groups it's often been the most disruptive > people that got turned around by the nature of the group/organisation > and become a driving force, even Chairperson or

[Evolution] 6 months to 12 months [Was: downloads page]

On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 11:57 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: > The question would then be "how do we increase the teams 'man'power". Contribute! -- Adam Tauno Williams GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA _

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Hi Tom, On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 14:24 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: > 1. Easier to download and install. > People here obviously find it easy to compile but most people out > there haven't got a clue and find it too scary as a prospect. Much > easier to download and install a competitor such as Thund

Re: [Evolution] downloads page

> > 1. Easier to download and install. Yea gods, how many times do we have to go round this. Evo *is* very easy to install, it's in virtually every distros default repository. How much easier does it have to be. Evolution is a well behaved, integral part of Gnome 3. As such it relies on ma

Re: [Evolution] downloads page

Hi :)  WooHoo, thanks :))) Yes, idealistic but i've seen it happen a few times.  Quality often seems to come with quantity.  I've often found that some of the most amazing people don't realise they are worth much and even seem to be trouble until they find their niche.  In anarchist/co-operat

Re: [Evolution] Google calendars stopped working in Evolution

Milan Crha writes: > I'm not aware of any issue of this type with Google calendars, and I do > not expect you did anything wrong, though please make sure you have > checked to use SSL (secure connection) with the Google server I found no way of selecting or deselecting it. > (I do not know how

Re: [Evolution] downloads page

Hi Tom, On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 11:57 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: > I do remember it well. I was wondering if you did. Likely. But why did you ask if you knew the answer already? > The line that stuck with me was "The team's manpower is still severely > limited " and i foolishly thought that was so

Re: [Evolution] downloads page

> is your intend trolling? I'm beginning to think trolling is indeed the underlying intent. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evo

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Hi :) I do remember it well.  I was wondering if you did.  The line that stuck with me was "The team's manpower is still severely limited " and i foolishly thought that was something you were keen to change.  The question would then be "how do we increase the teams 'man'power".  However it is

Re: [Evolution] downloads page

On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 10:38 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: > Lets look at another tack. Why is Evo having to drop from a 6 monthly > to a 1/year release? Check the mailing list archives if you want to know why. > Does it lack personnel? Always, as with every FLOSS project. > Do the devs often fi

Re: [Evolution] downloads page

On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 10:38 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > It is part of the same question. I'm just having to reach a lot > further back than i expected. > > Lets look at another tack. Why is Evo having to drop from a 6 monthly > to a 1/year release? Does it lack personnel? Do the devs

Re: [Evolution] downloads page

Hi :) It is part of the same question.  I'm just having to reach a lot further back than i expected.  Lets look at another tack.  Why is Evo having to drop from a 6 monthly to a 1/year release?  Does it lack personnel?  Do the devs often find themselves caught-up in answering questions instead

Re: [Evolution] downloads page

On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 01:43 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: > Why does Evo have a gui interface? Why not just stay with the > command-line? Please start a NEW THREAD when having a new topic. Your question has nothing to do with "downloads page". To answer your question: Because Evolution is a MUA[1]