[EVDL] Adding a 14/50 EV courtesy outlet to a solar array

2024-03-10 Thread Mark Hanson via EV
> > Hi Folks > I was reading in Solar Power World where a California solar installer adds a > 14/50 240Vac 50A outlet on the same solar array 50a circuit (for EV > charging). We have added 120vac courtesy outlets on our solar array and pass > inspection even though NEC says solar must be on a

Re: [EVDL] Adding a 14/50 EV courtesy outlet to a solar array

2024-03-10 Thread Greg William via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Adding a 14/50 EV courtesy outlet to a solar array

2024-03-10 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Adding a 14/50 EV courtesy outlet to a solar array

2024-03-10 Thread Zeke Yewdall via EV
since > > there’s two sources, 40A solar plus 50A from panel branch circuit. > > > Best regards Mark > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/

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2024-03-10 Thread Mark E. Hanson via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Adding a 14/50 EV courtesy outlet to a solar array

2024-03-10 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
t; I assume a local 50A breaker to the 14/50 outlet might be needed since > there’s two sources, 40A solar plus 50A from panel branch circuit. > > Best regards Mark > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No o

Re: [EVDL] Adding a 14/50 EV courtesy outlet to a solar array

2024-03-10 Thread Bill Dube via EV
The NEC has changed through the years regarding GFCI protection. 120vac outdoor outlets were required to be GFCI protected since ~1972. In the '80s when I worked as an electrician, outdoor 240 volt NEMA 14-50 outlets were not required to be GFCI protected, but when used to power a hot tub, or

Re: [EVDL] Adding a 14/50 EV courtesy outlet to a solar array

2024-03-10 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Adding a 14/50 EV courtesy outlet to a solar array

2024-03-10 Thread Lawrence Winiarski via EV
I'm going to chime in with a point.   Probably plenty all ready know it, but maybe some don't. Virtually all home solar is actually kind of technically violating some electrical rules.   The reason is thatbreakers were not intended to be used to back feed power, but that is the easiest way, so t

Re: [EVDL] Adding a 14/50 EV courtesy outlet to a solar array

2024-03-10 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
that. > > But the reality is the code people fudge it and allow 20% but it's not > really correct. > > Anyway I'm guessing this has something to do with your adding outlets to a > solar panel not being entirely kosher. > >

Re: [EVDL] Adding a 14/50 EV courtesy outlet to a solar array

2024-03-10 Thread Lawrence Winiarski via EV
My AHJ nor my brothers did not enforce it so we've had a different experience.   On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 10:45:01 PM PDT, (-Phil-) wrote: The NEC definitely accounts for this since 2011, and I know from experience AHJs enforce it.   (705.12 D 2) There are 2 ways:1. Derate:

[EVDL] OT Solar Electrical Issues (was: Adding a 14/50 EV courtesy outlet to a solar array)

2024-03-10 Thread Bill Dube via EV
First, breakers themselves really don't care which way the power is flowing. I can't think of anything about a breaker that would behave differently if the power flows in or out of the bus bars. VERY large breakers need power on the input side to rewind the trip mechanism. Even then, you simpl

Re: [EVDL] OT Solar Electrical Issues (was: Adding a 14/50 EV courtesy outlet to a solar array)

2024-03-10 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
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