[EVDL] kWh versus charging temperature

2022-04-03 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
As I understand, with most Li-ion cells, the colder the cell, the less charge it will take on. Correct ? But what happens if a warm battery is charged and then cools off ? It still has all its kWh, right ? And further, the temperature of the battery does not affect how many kWh you can get *out*

Re: [EVDL] kWh versus charging temperature

2022-04-03 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Peri, It is the *speed*, not the *capacity* that suffers in very cold weather. Think of it as ions moving sluggish through the lattice that makes up the active material. The colder, the more sluggish. Forcing too much current into this can even cause faults to develop, which *are* reducing the capa

Re: [EVDL] kWh versus charging temperature

2022-04-03 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Well, then, why is the range substantially less in cold weather ? The charger nor the battery don't know the discharge rate while charging. I understand that charging needs to be slower. But how does that affect capacity ? As a matter of example, during 20F weather last december, I was gettin

Re: [EVDL] kWh versus charging temperature

2022-04-03 Thread paul dove via EV
Instead of intercalating, theĀ ions end up plating the surface of the anode. Charging in freezing temps can cause plating, which reduces battery capacity and increases ResistanceĀ  Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, April 3, 2022, 7:21 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Well, then,

Re: [EVDL] kWh versus charging temperature

2022-04-03 Thread MacWrench via EV
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Re: [EVDL] kWh versus charging temperature

2022-04-03 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I'm not sure about the newer models, but definitely no battery heater (or cooler) for the 2011 model. Anyway, no one has yet addressed whether my hypothesis is true or not: if you charge while the battery is warm, it will still be able to deliver all the kWh even when the battery has become co

Re: [EVDL] kWh versus charging temperature

2022-04-03 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
On 4 Apr 2022 at 4:54, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > Anyway, no one has yet addressed whether my hypothesis is true or not: > if you charge while the battery is warm, it will still be able to > deliver all the kWh even when the battery has become cold (though at a > slower rate). > And I'm not g