On 25 Jul 2020 at 4:04, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> I want a cheaper Tesla, too. But I think Willie is right. If Tesla had
> tried to make a cheap model sooner, they would have only sold a trickle.
That's probably true in the US, where small cars sell in small numbers. But
I wonder what would
On 7/24/20 7:37 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
How much of a dealer discount below MSRP did you get on your Tesla? :-)
MANY, including me, consider the Tesla direct sales model to be an
enormous improvement over the franchised dealer model where MSRPs are
meaningless.
Tesla DOES
On Sat Jul 25 05:34:18 PDT 2020 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>> How much of a dealer discount below MSRP did you get on your Tesla? :-)
You do realize that MSRP is an imaginary number that has no basis in reality?
It's chosen to let the Dealers show you what a great deal they are giving you.
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On Sat Jul 25 02:22:46 PDT 2020 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>In the meantime, Renault and VW haven't sat on their hands. The updated Zoe
>and the upcoming VW ID.3 are competent and attractive EVs with plenty of
>range. The Zoe offers 80% of the Model 3 LR's range at 43% of its EU price -
>29% of it i
OEMs were never “shamed” into bringing EVs into U.S.. Regulations, and the cost
of NOT doing so did it.
- Mark
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> On Jul 24, 2020, at 9:46 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote:
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> From: Peri Hartman
>> I want a cheaper Tesla, too. But I think Willie is right. If Te
On 7/25/20 5:19 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
OEMs were never “shamed” into bringing EVs into U.S.. Regulations, and the cost
of NOT doing so did it.
Well, "the cost of NOT doing so" is, at least in part, from the threat
of losing their ICE market. That, due to Tesla success in develop
On 7/25/20 5:19 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
OEMs were never “shamed” into bringing EVs into U.S.. Regulations, and the cost
of NOT doing so did it.
Well, "the cost of NOT doing so" is, at least in part, from the threat
of losing their ICE market. That, due to Tesla success in develop
By the cost of NOT doing so, I didn’t mean their ICE market. I meant cost of
credits, costs of non-compliance.
One important thing Tesla did (among a long and great list) was provide a
barrier to regulatory backsliding. They also showed that there could be great
demand for great EVs, and ultim
I want to do a prius 12vdc battery to 120 vac invertor. which of the prius
can do this meaning, turn the car on, turn off all the extra loads, turn
on invertor. Which years or gen /s will stay on and keep charging the 12
vdc battery?? some talked about using the manal key to lock the doors.
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Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
OEMs were never “shamed” into bringing EVs into U.S.. Regulations, and
the cost of NOT doing so did it.
Willie via EV wrote:> Well, "the cost of NOT doing so" is, at least in
part, from the threat
of losing their ICE market. That, due to Tesla success in develop
On 25 Jul 2020 at 7:52, John Lussmyer via EV wrote:
> So, those are such great cars that sell well - why aren't they being sold in
> the US? Could it possibly be because the demand for small cars isn't there?
Sure. Small cars don't sell well here. They never have. it's cultural.
America is th
redscooter via EV wrote:
I want to do a prius 12vdc battery to 120 vac invertor. which of the prius
can do this meaning, turn the car on, turn off all the extra loads, turn
on invertor. Which years or gen /s will stay on and keep charging the 12
vdc battery?? some talked about using the manal
On 7/25/20 11:02 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
Sure. Small cars don't sell well here. They never have. it's cultural.
America is the land of the supersized.
It wasn't foreordained. I see several factors that has led us, as a
country, astray.
1) At the top of the list is cheap
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
So, those are such great cars that sell well - why aren't they being sold in
the US? Could it possibly be because the demand for small cars isn't there?
Sure. Small cars don't sell well here. They never have. it's cultural.
America is the land of the supersiz
Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
Commercially available Sunpower cells. Panels will not work.
Well, they could. Some of Sunpower's panels are flexible. They also sell
the cells separately, but using them is a LOT more work (the sort of
things that the solar raycer teams will do). Sometimes the
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thought that they were missing out on the new craze.
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> On Jul 25, 2020, at 1:48 PM, Willie via EV wrote:
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>> On 7/25/20 11:02 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote
Lee is right that small cars HAVE had some modest success in the US, mostly
for non-US manufacturers.
I think the problem is that US automakers just don't want to bother with
modest success.
Maybe it's not entirely that they don't want to, but also that they can't.
In recent decades we've s
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