Re: [EVDL] Failure Modes and Effects Analysis -FMEA of DCFC CCS<->J3400(NACS) adapters

2024-09-24 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
That's handled by the Proximity connection, when the car sees this is connected it will not allow drive. (One of the 2 small pins on the connector) On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 3:44 PM Ron wrote: > That all makes sense to me, but does it address driving away while still > connected? Or is there an i

Re: [EVDL] Failure Modes and Effects Analysis -FMEA of DCFC CCS<->J3400(NACS) adapters

2024-09-24 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
It's simple, you just have a mechanical lock like Tesla's original CCS to NACS adapter, you connect the DCFC to the adapter, and then when the adapter is connected to the car, a spring loaded pin or other device is pressed in by the body of the car's inlet that locks the DCFC whip to the adapter, t

Re: [EVDL] Failure Modes and Effects Analysis -FMEA of DCFC CCS<->J3400(NACS) adapters

2024-09-24 Thread Ron via EV
Most of this discussion is either over my head or out of my wheelhouse. That said: Would it work to have a locking connector combined with a tether activated power disconnect and lock release? I'm envisioning a spring-wound reel of cord that trips a disconnect and release in a safe and non-des

Re: [EVDL] Failure Modes and Effects Analysis -FMEA of DCFC CCS<->J3400(NACS) adapters

2024-09-24 Thread Jack Hill via EV
Thank you both. I appreciate the multiple perspectives. Best, Jack ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/

Re: [EVDL] Failure Modes and Effects Analysis -FMEA of DCFC CCS<->J3400(NACS) adapters

2024-09-24 Thread Jack Hill via EV
On Mon, 23 Sep 2024, (-Phil-) via EV wrote: Yes, there are lots of people buying these crappy Lectron and A2Z adapters which I deem dangerous. I'm glad there is some movement to develop standards. I'm one of the people who bought a Lectron adapter (although other than testing I may never ha

Re: [EVDL] Failure Modes and Effects Analysis -FMEA of DCFC CCS<->J3400(NACS) adapters

2024-09-23 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
I have personally tested a number of CCS DCFCs, and NONE of them de-energize fast enough to avoid arcing when Pilot and/or Proximity is de-asserted. It's a tall ask to have a DCFC putting out 500 amps and 800 volts to get it to zero volts in a few milliseconds. This is why there is a latch. Di

Re: [EVDL] Failure Modes and Effects Analysis -FMEA of DCFC CCS<->J3400(NACS) adapters

2024-09-23 Thread Bill Dube via EV
I should note that the connector is designed so that the pilot wire (communication wire) is the very first to disconnect. If the regulation is followed correctly, this should automatically de-energize the entire circuit, before the connector comes apart completely. > Locking connector rant

Re: [EVDL] Failure Modes and Effects Analysis -FMEA of DCFC CCS<->J3400(NACS) adapters

2024-09-23 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
I have discussed this here before, but neither the Lectron or the A2Z have a proper mechanical interlock, meaning you can literally rip out the NACS cable while HV is still present, which could result in an arc flashover between the terminals with full pack voltage. This could generate over a thou

Re: [EVDL] Failure Modes and Effects Analysis -FMEA of DCFC CCS<->J3400(NACS) adapters

2024-09-23 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
Yes, there are lots of people buying these crappy Lectron and A2Z adapters which I deem dangerous. I'm glad there is some movement to develop standards. Thanks for posting this, Rush! On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 5:45 AM Rush via EV wrote: > Hi all, > > > > Marco Gaxiola sent me a link to a report

[EVDL] Failure Modes and Effects Analysis -FMEA of DCFC CCS<->J3400(NACS) adapters

2024-09-23 Thread Rush via EV
Hi all, Marco Gaxiola sent me a link to a report done by the ChargeX Consortium "Recommended ACTIONS TO IMPROVE ADAPTER SAFETY" that he and several others have written (Marco said he was the main participant). It discusses the safety issues of the DCFS CCS/NACS adapters and has recommenda