Re: [Emu] System level forward secrecy for EAP+AAA

2023-04-10 Thread Karl Norrman
Hi! > From a practical point of view, I think PFS issues are less of a problem > than > other issues. [K]: OK. I don't argue that PFS is important here. My point is just that those who *do* believe that PFS is important need to take care when using long-lived TLS/IPsec sessions. That is: 1. As

Re: [Emu] System level forward secrecy for EAP+AAA

2023-04-10 Thread Alan DeKok
On Apr 10, 2023, at 4:54 AM, Karl Norrman wrote: > [K]: OK. I don't argue that PFS is important here. My point is just that those > who *do* believe that PFS is important need to take care when using > long-lived TLS/IPsec sessions. That is: > 1. Assuming a system user wants PFS, the question is w

Re: [Emu] System level forward secrecy for EAP+AAA

2023-04-10 Thread josh.howlett
> I would suggest that these attacks aren't very relevant. Or if they are, there > is very little which can be done about them. +1 An AAA infrastructure is a logical extension of the NAS that enables authentication, key derivation and other security functions to be externalised. That externali

Re: [Emu] System level forward secrecy for EAP+AAA

2023-04-10 Thread Karl Norrman
Hi! > > [K]: OK. I don't argue that PFS is important here. My point is just > > that those who *do* believe that PFS is important need to take care > > when using long-lived TLS/IPsec sessions. That is: > > 1. Assuming a system user wants PFS, the question is whether they get > > it by enabling PF

Re: [Emu] System level forward secrecy for EAP+AAA

2023-04-10 Thread Alan DeKok
On Apr 10, 2023, at 12:20 PM, Karl Norrman wrote: > [K]: What above made you believe I meant the clients authenticating via EAP? You mentioned EAP session keys being compromised. That would tend to imply end users being affected. > I mean that the organization(s) deploying EAP and the authen

Re: [Emu] System level forward secrecy for EAP+AAA

2023-04-10 Thread Karl Norrman
Hi! > "Use PFS methods" is a good > step. Warning people of the limitations of PFS is a good step. Past that, I > don't > see any recommendations which I can implement. [K]: Excellent. If we can get that in a general AAA document read by people deploying EAP/AAA, I'd be much happier than hav