Re: [Emu] POST WGLC Comments draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13

2019-09-19 Thread Owen Friel (ofriel)
> -Original Message- > From: Jim Schaad > Sent: 19 September 2019 07:28 > To: 'Alan DeKok' ; Owen Friel (ofriel) > > Cc: draft-ietf-emu-eap-tl...@ietf.org; 'EMU WG' > Subject: RE: [Emu] POST WGLC Comments draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13 > > I am going to come down on the side of no PSK shou

Re: [Emu] POST WGLC Comments draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13

2019-09-19 Thread John Mattsson
I am starting to come down on the side the EAP-TLS PSK should be specified. - I think EAP-PSK should be phased out like all other methods not giving PFS. - The security of the Dragonfly handshake used in EAP-PWD (and WPA3) seems quite shaky ( https://eprint.iacr.org/2019/383 ), but I have not loo

Re: [Emu] POST WGLC Comments draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13

2019-09-19 Thread Owen Friel (ofriel)
> -Original Message- > From: John Mattsson > Sent: 19 September 2019 11:04 > To: Owen Friel (ofriel) ; Jim Schaad > ; 'Alan DeKok' > Cc: draft-ietf-emu-eap-tl...@ietf.org; 'EMU WG' > Subject: Re: [Emu] POST WGLC Comments draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13 > > I am starting to come down on the

Re: [Emu] POST WGLC Comments draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13

2019-09-19 Thread Alan DeKok
On Sep 19, 2019, at 6:04 AM, John Mattsson wrote: > > I am starting to come down on the side the EAP-TLS PSK should be specified. > > - I think EAP-PSK should be phased out like all other methods not giving PFS. EAP-TLS using PSK has worse security properties than EAP-PSK, I think. > - The s

Re: [Emu] POST WGLC Comments draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13

2019-09-19 Thread Alan DeKok
On Sep 19, 2019, at 2:27 AM, Jim Schaad wrote: > > I am going to come down on the side of no PSK should not be supported. > However my issues have nothing to do with how things are implemented and > more to do with the security properties of the EAP method. I'm leaning that way myself. I'm no

Re: [Emu] POST WGLC Comments draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13

2019-09-19 Thread John Mattsson
Thanks Jim! Below are replies to most of your comments. >In section 2.1.5 - You are mandating support for resumption. Is this really >what you are planning to do? If this is true then lots of the previous text >seems to be off because this is not part of that discussion. That is definitely not