Re: [Emu] [Iot-directorate] Iotdir early review of draft-ietf-emu-eap-noob-01

2020-07-31 Thread Carsten Bormann
The point that came up in the discussion is how deterministic encoding would work with the extension points. I said that it is easy to isolate extension points via encapsulation of an encoded CBOR data item in a byte string — that causes a generic decoder to hand up that byte string (which can

Re: [Emu] [Iot-directorate] Iotdir early review of draft-ietf-emu-eap-noob-01

2020-07-31 Thread Carsten Bormann
On 2020-07-31, at 09:25, Aura Tuomas wrote: > > That is, my biggest concern with both JSON and CBOR is (4) the lack of > canonical binary serialization. IN EAP-NOOB, we need to receive a serialized > data message, extract some fields and subtrees, compose an HMAC input out of > these parts of

Re: [Emu] [Iot-directorate] Iotdir early review of draft-ietf-emu-eap-noob-01

2020-07-31 Thread Aura Tuomas
; iot-director...@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Emu] [Iot-directorate] Iotdir early review of draft-ietf-emu-eap-noob-01 Importance: High Hi Mohit, > On 2020-07-11, at 15:27, Mohit Sethi M > wrote: > > Hi Michael, > > Thanks for the input. This is indeed something we sho

Re: [Emu] [Iot-directorate] Iotdir early review of draft-ietf-emu-eap-noob-01

2020-07-11 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 03:40:25PM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > Hi Mohit, > > > > On 2020-07-11, at 15:27, Mohit Sethi M > > wrote: > > > > EAP-NOOB also relies on the JWK specification for encoding public keys. > > While CBOR equivalent is defined in RFC 8152, it is a rather large documen

Re: [Emu] [Iot-directorate] Iotdir early review of draft-ietf-emu-eap-noob-01

2020-07-11 Thread Mohit Sethi M
Thanks Carsten. This is very valuable input for the working group before it makes a critical decision. --Mohit On 7/11/20 4:40 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: > Hi Mohit, > > >> On 2020-07-11, at 15:27, Mohit Sethi M >> wrote: >> >> Hi Michael, >> >> Thanks for the input. This is indeed something w

Re: [Emu] [Iot-directorate] Iotdir early review of draft-ietf-emu-eap-noob-01

2020-07-11 Thread Carsten Bormann
Hi Mohit, > On 2020-07-11, at 15:27, Mohit Sethi M > wrote: > > Hi Michael, > > Thanks for the input. This is indeed something we should discuss at the > upcoming virtual EMU meeting. > > Some colleagues (Ingles Sanchez et al.) have also investigated and documented > the savings that migh

Re: [Emu] [Iot-directorate] Iotdir early review of draft-ietf-emu-eap-noob-01

2020-07-11 Thread Mohit Sethi M
Hi Michael, Thanks for the input. This is indeed something we should discuss at the upcoming virtual EMU meeting. Some colleagues (Ingles Sanchez et al.) have also investigated and documented the savings that might result from the use of CBOR in EAP-NOOB: https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-0

Re: [Emu] [Iot-directorate] Iotdir early review of draft-ietf-emu-eap-noob-01

2020-07-08 Thread Michael Richardson
Speaking as a WG participant. Dave Thaler via Datatracker wrote: > 3) Section 3.3.2 says: >> The in-band messages are formatted as JSON objects [RFC8259] > So this limits applicability to constrained IoT devices, since JSON can be > verbose compared to, say, CBOR, and if the IoT