Re: [Emc-users] Air compressor and hard drives

2009-08-20 Thread Ray Henry
On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 21:26 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 20 August 2009, Douglas Pollard wrote: > >My air compressor started up the same time I was starting my computer > >and crashed my hard drive. I have a small cheap compressor and its all > >the motor can do to start it and I guess

Re: [Emc-users] Air compressor and hard drives

2009-08-20 Thread Douglas Pollard
Jon Elson wrote: > Douglas Pollard wrote: > >> My air compressor started up the same time I was starting my computer >> and crashed my hard drive. I have a small cheap compressor and its all >> the motor can do to start it and I guess it drew the current down. >> Anyway just something to

Re: [Emc-users] Hostmot firmware question

2009-08-20 Thread Jon Elson
Eric H. Johnson wrote: > Peter, > > Thanks. That is basically what I thought. It has been reported to me that, > in a servo / encoder system, if EMC is shut down, then one or more axes are > moved and finally EMC is restarted, upon clearing the e-stop a runaway > condition occurs (at least sometime

Re: [Emc-users] Realistic spindle encoder count for parallel port?

2009-08-20 Thread Jon Elson
Steve Blackmore wrote: > One reason it's far too slow is the totally unrealistic base period. > 62500 is way too slow, reading the integrator manual, it probably should > be much nearer 25000. > > It depends on the computer. If it is just a slow CPU, or has a bad jitter problem due to some ha

Re: [Emc-users] Air compressor and hard drives

2009-08-20 Thread Douglas Pollard
Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 20 August 2009, Douglas Pollard wrote: > >> My air compressor started up the same time I was starting my computer >> and crashed my hard drive. I have a small cheap compressor and its all >> the motor can do to start it and I guess it drew the current down. >>

Re: [Emc-users] Air compressor and hard drives

2009-08-20 Thread Jon Elson
Douglas Pollard wrote: > My air compressor started up the same time I was starting my computer > and crashed my hard drive. I have a small cheap compressor and its all > the motor can do to start it and I guess it drew the current down. > Anyway just something to think about!!

Re: [Emc-users] Air compressor and hard drives

2009-08-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 20 August 2009, Douglas Pollard wrote: >My air compressor started up the same time I was starting my computer >and crashed my hard drive. I have a small cheap compressor and its all >the motor can do to start it and I guess it drew the current down. >Anyway just something to think abo

[Emc-users] "Daily Digest"

2009-08-20 Thread Lie Seng-Thok
Dear sir, I would you like to receive list mail batched in a "Daily Digest", such as this "Emc-users Digest, Vol 40, Issue 21"   And NOT separate mail list. Thank you very much. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the re

Re: [Emc-users] Air compressor and hard drives

2009-08-20 Thread cmgfam
> My air compressor started up the same time I was starting my computer > and crashed my hard drive. I have a small cheap compressor and its all > the motor can do to start it and I guess it drew the current down. > Anyway just something to think about!! >

Re: [Emc-users] Hostmot firmware question

2009-08-20 Thread Eric H. Johnson
Sebastian (and Chris), I will try to get some more information over the next few days. If you would like to see the configuration, I have posted it here: http://pastebin.com/m2760010c The servo portion is basically right out of the example. An easy thing to try might be to disable hal_joystick. A

Re: [Emc-users] Hostmot firmware question

2009-08-20 Thread Chris Radek
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 04:29:09PM -0400, Eric H. Johnson wrote: > > Thanks. That is basically what I thought. It has been reported to me that, > in a servo / encoder system, if EMC is shut down, then one or more axes are > moved and finally EMC is restarted, upon clearing the e-stop a runaway > c

Re: [Emc-users] Realistic spindle encoder count for parallel port?

2009-08-20 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:00:45 -0500, you wrote: >Chris Radek wrote: >> (I don't recommend any of this. Getting a suitable encoder or >> suitable hardware to read the existing one is so much better.) >> >> >Yes, a slight fudging of the encoder signals to keep within software >range might be OK,

Re: [Emc-users] Hostmot firmware question

2009-08-20 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
Eric H. Johnson wrote: > Peter, > > Thanks. That is basically what I thought. It has been reported to me that, > in a servo / encoder system, if EMC is shut down, then one or more axes are > moved and finally EMC is restarted, upon clearing the e-stop a runaway > condition occurs (at least sometim

[Emc-users] Air compressor and hard drives

2009-08-20 Thread Douglas Pollard
My air compressor started up the same time I was starting my computer and crashed my hard drive. I have a small cheap compressor and its all the motor can do to start it and I guess it drew the current down. Anyway just something to think about!!

Re: [Emc-users] Hostmot firmware question

2009-08-20 Thread Eric H. Johnson
Peter, Thanks. That is basically what I thought. It has been reported to me that, in a servo / encoder system, if EMC is shut down, then one or more axes are moved and finally EMC is restarted, upon clearing the e-stop a runaway condition occurs (at least sometimes). I have to get more information

Re: [Emc-users] Hostmot firmware question

2009-08-20 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Eric H. Johnson wrote: > Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:46:51 -0400 > From: Eric H. Johnson > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > To: "'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)'" > Subject: [Emc-users] Hostmot firmware question > > Hi all, > > When the firmware for a

[Emc-users] Hostmot firmware question

2009-08-20 Thread Eric H. Johnson
Hi all, When the firmware for any of the hostmot supported Mesa boards is loaded on running EMC, does it zero the encoder values? IOW, if I run EMC, then shut it down but leave the computer running, then manually move the axes, when EMC is restarted, what values will the firmware be holding for th

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa io card driving h bridge and counting encoders

2009-08-20 Thread Rob Jansen
Peter C. Wallace wrote: > The three phase PWM generator does have high and low side drive and > deadzone > timers but a three phase drive is probably not a good beginner project :-) > > You can also count TTL encoder signals directly with the FPGA board. > Hm, some good memories come back. My C

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa io card driving h bridge and counting encoders

2009-08-20 Thread Peter C. Wallace
> Subject: [Emc-users] Mesa io card driving h bridge and counting encoders > > I am building a few machines currently. They are all smaller bench type > machines at this current time. > > > My main question is, can I drive an h bridge from the mesa. Can I count the > encoder directly from the b

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa io card driving h bridge and counting encoders

2009-08-20 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, jon doe wrote: > > Yes on this particular machine an extra para port is possible, but I will not > gain the ability to count the encoders I have as fast or as reliable as I > would like. Finding how fast the audrino can count would be cool, as that > would make for a very

Re: [Emc-users] Realistic spindle encoder count for parallel port?

2009-08-20 Thread Jon Elson
Chris Radek wrote: > (I don't recommend any of this. Getting a suitable encoder or > suitable hardware to read the existing one is so much better.) > > Yes, a slight fudging of the encoder signals to keep within software range might be OK, but the extreme case presented by the OP is so FAR awa

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa io card driving h bridge and counting encoders

2009-08-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 20 August 2009, Stuart Stevenson wrote: >Ken, > that is SO true! >Stuart >On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Kenneth Lerman Amen, +10 etc, and requires even more money and ingenuity to climb. And its STILL fun. >wrote: >> jon doe wrote: >> > >> > >> > I see a long road ahead,

Re: [Emc-users] Realistic spindle encoder count for parallel port?

2009-08-20 Thread Jon Elson
Steve Blackmore wrote: > On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:30:10 -0500, you wrote: > > >> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:11:19PM -0500, Jon Elson wrote: >> >> >>> you could put in a one-shot chip to stretch the index pulse >>> >> I said it once already but I don't think everyone caught it: on a >>

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa io card driving h bridge and counting encoders

2009-08-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 20 August 2009, jon doe wrote: >Yes on this particular machine an extra para port is possible, but I will > not gain the ability to count the encoders I have as fast or as reliable > as I would like. Finding how fast the audrino can count would be cool, as > that would make for a very l

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa io card driving h bridge and counting encoders

2009-08-20 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Ken, that is SO true! Stuart On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Kenneth Lerman wrote: > > > jon doe wrote: > > > > > > I see a long road ahead, but the journey should be grand, if the > destination a little anti-climatic. > > > > > > > > Josh > > > When you reach the top of the mountain, y

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa io card driving h bridge and counting encoders

2009-08-20 Thread Kenneth Lerman
jon doe wrote: > > > I see a long road ahead, but the journey should be grand, if the destination > a little anti-climatic. > > > > Josh > When you reach the top of the mountain, you will discover that the journey isn't over. You'll see a higher mountain just a short distance away. :-) K

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa io card driving h bridge and counting encoders

2009-08-20 Thread jon doe
Yes on this particular machine an extra para port is possible, but I will not gain the ability to count the encoders I have as fast or as reliable as I would like. Finding how fast the audrino can count would be cool, as that would make for a very low cost expansion running off serial port. Lik

Re: [Emc-users] Realistic spindle encoder count for parallel port?

2009-08-20 Thread Steve Stallings
> I said it once already but I don't think everyone caught it: > on a spindle encoder used for threading and tapping, it > doesn't matter the slightest bit if you miss the index sometimes. > > You certainly must not stretch it longer than one count, > whatever you do. You would make the cur

[Emc-users] PUMA and other robots

2009-08-20 Thread Alex Joni
Just a quick info on new robot-related work available in emc2 Git master: 1. genserkins - general kinematics for serial manipulators, these work for manipulators with up to 8 joints, either rotary or prismatic, and provide forward and inverse kinematics and jacobian functions. 2. An example

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa io card driving h bridge and counting encoders

2009-08-20 Thread Ray Henry
On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 21:54 -0700, jon doe wrote: > I am building a few machines currently. > I am stuck at limited io ports and I would'nt learn as much. Hi Jon. Welcome to the project. You can learn a lot with just a few IO. HAL and ClassicLadder will allow you to connect those in creative w

Re: [Emc-users] Realistic spindle encoder count for parallel port?

2009-08-20 Thread Chris Radek
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 12:12:24AM -0500, Jon Elson wrote: > So, fixing the index pulse to reliably sense that, and > completely forgetting the quadrature counting is the only thing that > would work. He would then only use the index pulse, once per rev. I thought we were talking about dividin

Re: [Emc-users] Realistic spindle encoder count for parallel port?

2009-08-20 Thread Alex Joni
You basicly only care about the index before you start the synchronized movement. It will sit there, and wait for the index. If it misses one, it will grab the next one (or at least the one it sees). Each index will still constrain to the same spindle orientation, so the thread will not be affect

Re: [Emc-users] Realistic spindle encoder count for parallel port?

2009-08-20 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:30:10 -0500, you wrote: >On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:11:19PM -0500, Jon Elson wrote: > >> you could put in a one-shot chip to stretch the index pulse > >I said it once already but I don't think everyone caught it: on a >spindle encoder used for threading and tapping, it does