On 2021-01-08 09:04 +02, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> From: "Alfred M. Szmidt"
>>> You are exagerating. Nobody is saying don't do research, I'm quite
>>> sure you are capable of finding that information on your own. But it
>>> is a different thing for GNU do provide that information for
Eli Zaretskii writes:
>> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 00:00:36 +0300
>> From: Jean Louis
>> Cc: arthur.mil...@live.com, r...@gnu.org, a...@gnu.org,
>> dgu...@yandex.ru, u...@gentoo.org, emacs-tangents@gnu.org
>>
>> > > I see that repology.org does not make any distinction and it cannot do
>> > > tha
Eli, I am managing websites since 1995. Placing references for software on
websites, or newspapers, or in emails, or in directories, catalogue, anywhere,
including in GNU ELPA , be it a link or not, Just text, It Is promotion of
those websites, software, or opinions.
If we declare in such refer
>Free software is a privilege, as it is. It requires a lot of knowledge
>about computing praxis and culture, internet culture, legal stuff, and
>politics.
How privilege? I don't see how is free software privilege. Not for me. It
should be basic human right for users to have control of thei
That is maybe your way of finding free software. Since 1999 I find it from
distributions and if I don't believe it enough I will look into license.
I never go to proprietary software catalogue to find free software. Today we
know by work of fully free and FSF endorsed Distributions which package
> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2021 11:48:53 +
> CC: r...@gnu.org, u...@gentoo.org, arthur.mil...@live.com,
> dgu...@yandex.ru
> From: Jean Louis
>
> That is maybe your way of finding free software. Since 1999 I find it from
> distributions and if I don't believe it enough I will look into license.
On 1/7/21 2:49 PM, Richard Stallman wrote:
> I see two ways we could possibly manage to use repology.org in the
> Free World.
>
> * Find a way to distinguish free from nonfree packages. I see two
> ideas One is to snarf the lists of free packages from Debian and
> Parabola. Another is to see if
*sigh*
It should be a basic human right. That isn't the current reality. It is
currently a privilege. Many good folks are working very hard to transform
this privilege into a basic human right.
Are we done trolling yet?
> Your statements are too general and I do not see how they relate
It's oka
You can study, is free.
I don't see problem with anybody wishing to study anything.
On January 8, 2021 7:04:13 AM UTC, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> From: "Alfred M. Szmidt"
>> Cc: e...@gnu.org, bugs@gnu.support, arthur.mil...@live.com,
>> r...@gnu.org, u...@gentoo.org, emacs-tangents@gnu.org
Does that mean you wish to exclusively include repology.el into GNU ELPA?
Like you can't use that package without including it in GNU ELPA? Can you use
website directly?
I can.
What is real problem there?
On January 8, 2021 12:34:22 PM UTC, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2021 11:4
> On Thu, 07 Jan 2021, Jean Louis wrote:
> * Ulrich Mueller [2021-01-07 22:38]:
>> Gentoo is about choice, and has always leaned a little on the pragmatic
>> side. If we would (for example) exclude all non-free Linux firmware,
>> then I am certain that in order to have a usable system, most u
> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2021 13:56:40 +
> CC: emacs-tangents@gnu.org, r...@gnu.org, u...@gentoo.org, a...@gnu.org,
> arthur.mil...@live.com, dgu...@yandex.ru
> From: Jean Louis
>
> Does that mean you wish to exclusively include repology.el into GNU ELPA?
>
> Like you can't use that package wit
> On Fri, 08 Jan 2021, Jean Louis wrote:
> What GNU project promotes is free software. GNU never says to its
> users to use exclusively free software and never condemns people for
> using proprietary software.
Yet it maintains a blacklist of common GNU/Linux distros and labels them
as "unethi
> From: "Alfred M. Szmidt"
> Cc: e...@gnu.org, bugs@gnu.support, arthur.mil...@live.com,
>r...@gnu.org, u...@gentoo.org, emacs-tangents@gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2021 16:07:13 -0500
>
>> You are exagerating. Nobody is saying don't do research, I'm quite
>> su
> If the goal of the GNU project is to eliminate non-free software,
> why
Eliminate it by ignoring it, I take it.
Not mentioning a program isn't the same as ignoring its existance.
You might also want to look into the origins of GNU.
It has been like this since the GNU project began
* Ulrich Mueller [2021-01-08 17:34]:
> > * Ulrich Mueller [2021-01-07 22:38]:
> >> Gentoo is about choice, and has always leaned a little on the pragmatic
> >> side. If we would (for example) exclude all non-free Linux firmware,
> >> then I am certain that in order to have a usable system, most u
* Eli Zaretskii [2021-01-08 17:46]:
> > What is real problem there?
>
> I thought it was obvious. Since it's evidently isn't, let me cross
> the t's and dot the i's for you:
>
> We develop Emacs because we think it helps users. We don't develop it
> as some academic exercise to be shown in som
> From: "Alfred M. Szmidt"
> Cc: dgu...@yandex.ru, bugs@gnu.support, arthur.mil...@live.com,
> r...@gnu.org, u...@gentoo.org, emacs-tangents@gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2021 12:22:38 -0500
>
> I do not understand what is so confusing here, how you as a person (in
> the capacity of a mainain
* Ulrich Mueller [2021-01-08 19:25]:
> > On Fri, 08 Jan 2021, Jean Louis wrote:
>
> > What GNU project promotes is free software. GNU never says to its
> > users to use exclusively free software and never condemns people for
> > using proprietary software.
>
> Yet it maintains a blacklist of
On 2021-01-08 11:46 GMT, Jean Louis wrote:
>>Free software is a privilege, as it is. It requires a lot of
>>knowledge about computing praxis and culture, internet culture, legal
>>stuff, and politics.
> How privilege? I don't see how is free software privilege. Not for
> me. It should be basic hu
On 08.01.2021 19:22, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
Its like asking why the GNU project doesn't provide information about
finding good polka candy recipies
We're not talking about providing information, we're talking about
censoring what a program is allowed to do.
And I'm pretty sure that programs
On 08.01.2021 19:22, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
> If the goal of the GNU project is to eliminate non-free software,
> why
Eliminate it by ignoring it, I take it.
Not mentioning a program isn't the same as ignoring its existance.
If you are making an emphasis on never mentioning "wron
> From: "Alfred M. Szmidt"
> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2021 12:22:36 -0500
> Cc: emacs-tangents@gnu.org, r...@gnu.org, bugs@gnu.support, u...@gentoo.org,
> arthur.mil...@live.com, e...@gnu.org
>
>> If the goal of the GNU project is to eliminate non-free software,
>> why
>
>Eliminate it by i
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 21:27:42 +0300
> From: Jean Louis
> Cc: emacs-tangents@gnu.org, r...@gnu.org, u...@gentoo.org, a...@gnu.org,
> arthur.mil...@live.com, dgu...@yandex.ru
>
> > We develop Emacs because we think it helps users. We don't develop it
> > as some academic exercise to be shown
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> > If the goal of the GNU project is to eliminate non-free software, why
> Elim
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Let's not have a discussion here about free vs nonfree GNU/Linux
distributions.
The
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> Just saying that a package exists and showing where its repository is
> etc. is
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>> You are exagerating. Nobody is saying don't do research, I'm quite
>>
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>> It does so by listing (describing) them; that legitimizes the non-free
>
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> >Free software is a privilege, as it is. It requires a lot of knowledge
> >abo
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> >abo
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> No. If you have to use Zoom for your classes or meetings, you have to.
> If yo
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> I want help them because I don't see how these references cause any
> damage to
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> If you are making an emphasis on never mentioning "wrong" programs, you
> make
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> > users t
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Would someone like to volunteer to set up frepology.org?
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* Göktuğ Kayaalp [2021-01-08 22:17]:
> On 2021-01-08 11:46 GMT, Jean Louis wrote:
> >>Free software is a privilege, as it is. It requires a lot of
> >>knowledge about computing praxis and culture, internet culture, legal
> >>stuff, and politics.
> > How privilege? I don't see how is free softwar
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