Re: Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis

2021-12-02 Thread Greg Minshall
Karl, thanks for all of this, and for writing and posting your blog entry (words of caution for many). my thoughts on your project are something like this: - i think non-emacs tools to deal with org mode files is a Good Thing. - for me, the main motivation is to allow *me* to share an org mode

Re: Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis

2021-12-01 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Wednesday, 1 Dec 2021 at 22:17, M. ‘quintus’ Gülker wrote: > There is Git, of course, but unless you are a programmer, using Git is > pretty much arcane. I was not yet successful to explain Git to MS Word > users, who are actually happy with the change tracking tooling Word > has built in. Thou

Re: Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis

2021-12-01 Thread Tim Cross
Karl Voit writes: > Hi, > > I've summarized my current state of mind about the whole Orgdown > fiasco into a blog article: > https://karl-voit.at/2021/12/02/Orgdown-feedback/ > > Don't worry, I tried to analyze my own faults as well so that others > might be able to learn from this unfortunate

Re: Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis

2021-12-01 Thread George Mauer
Thank you for writing all this down Karl. Thank you for your efforts and I truly am sorry for everything you've been put through emotionally. I know very well how a few particularly nasty comments can sap your energy as the brain cycles on them over and over. I hope you come out of this the strong

Re: Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis

2021-12-01 Thread Karl Voit
Hi, I've summarized my current state of mind about the whole Orgdown fiasco into a blog article: https://karl-voit.at/2021/12/02/Orgdown-feedback/ Don't worry, I tried to analyze my own faults as well so that others might be able to learn from this unfortunate situation. -- get mail|git|SVN|pho

Re: Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis (was: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode)

2021-12-01 Thread M . ‘quintus’ Gülker
Am Dienstag, dem 30. November 2021 schrieb Karl Voit: > One of the next things I do have on my list is to try out crdt as > I've learned at EmacsConf21 that it is mature enough to be used in > practice. > > If that holds true, we can start dreaming of having a Etherpad-like > session from our GN

Re: Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis

2021-11-30 Thread Juan Manuel Macías
Tom Gillespie writes: > Karl, >The exact naming of a thing is nearly always the most contentious > step in trying to promulgate it. In my own field we can easily get all > parties to agree on a definition, but they refuse to budge on a name. > As others have said, I wouldn't worry about kibiti

Re: Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis (was: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode)

2021-11-30 Thread Tim Cross
Tom Gillespie writes: > Karl, >The exact naming of a thing is nearly always the most contentious > step in trying to promulgate it. In my own field we can easily get all > parties to agree on a definition, but they refuse to budge on a name. > As others have said, I wouldn't worry about kib

Re: Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis (was: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode)

2021-11-30 Thread Tom Gillespie
Karl, The exact naming of a thing is nearly always the most contentious step in trying to promulgate it. In my own field we can easily get all parties to agree on a definition, but they refuse to budge on a name. As others have said, I wouldn't worry about kibitizing over the name. I would howe

Re: Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis (was: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode)

2021-11-30 Thread Eduardo Ochs
On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 at 17:46, Karl Voit wrote: > > I chose an in-between approach: defining only a minimal set (name, > common structure/idea/documentation, Orgdown1, providing a > collaborative home on GitLab) and hope for a project community that > will take over (or at least support) from there

Re: Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis (was: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode)

2021-11-30 Thread Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
Karl Voit writes: > * M ‘quintus’ Gülker wrote: >> Am Montag, dem 29. November 2021 schrieb Karl Voit: >>> It seems to be the case that the name "Orgdown" is the reason why >>> the Org-mode community does not support the idea of an >>> implementation-agnostic definition of the syntax. Which is

Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis (was: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode)

2021-11-30 Thread Karl Voit
Hi, * M ‘quintus’ Gülker wrote: > > Am Montag, dem 29. November 2021 schrieb Karl Voit: >> It seems to be the case that the name "Orgdown" is the reason why >> the Org-mode community does not support the idea of an >> implementation-agnostic definition of the syntax. Which is ... kinda >> funny