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On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Matt Price wrote: > > That does seem to be an issue, but I bet it wouldn't be too hard to fix. > Currently outputformat is hardcoded on line 94 of lib/citeServer.js; I'm a > little slow at reading JS but I think replacing line 259 with a switch > statement analog

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On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Matt Lundin wrote: > Matt Price writes: > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Rasmus wrote: > > > > > > Aaron Ecay writes: > > > > Indeed. I guess this is what they use: > > > > https://github.com/zotero/citeproc-node > > > > It also looks rat

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Rasmus writes: > Matt Lundin writes: > >> Perhaps someone with more experience of pandoc could assess how well it >> toggles between CSL and biblatex, especially for more complicated styles >> (e.g., Chicago). > > Can you point out an example of the expected format? Bibtex.el does > pretty wel

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Matt Lundin writes: > Perhaps someone with more experience of pandoc could assess how well it > toggles between CSL and biblatex, especially for more complicated styles > (e.g., Chicago). Can you point out an example of the expected format? Bibtex.el does pretty well and perhaps it’s trivial t

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Matt Price writes: > On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Rasmus wrote: > > > Aaron Ecay writes: > > Indeed. I guess this is what they use: > > https://github.com/zotero/citeproc-node > > It also looks rather complex... > > > FWIW, I just tried installing this on my Arch system, but

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On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 9:05 PM Matt Price wrote: > > >> > FWIW, I just tried installing this on my Arch system, but it doesn't work > with node 0.12, and I am currently unable to switch to io.js due to > dependencies of several other projects. I guess tools like NVM can help > with this situatio

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Rasmus Pank Roulund writes: > > Ista Zahn writes: > >> IMO pandoc is easy on Windows and OSX. It is easy on some Linux distros >> but not all. > >> I use Arch LInux, where getting pandoc requires some work, but I think >> that is an issue that the Linux distros need to work out. > > No it doesn'

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Aaron Ecay writes: > > - There is a difference between citations as done by latex/bibtex/etc., > and those done in every other format (handled through CSL). Assuming > latex users want to keep their native processing rather than > delegating to CSL, we need to solve the myriad small inconsi

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On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Aaron Ecay wrote: > Hi Rasmus, > > 2015ko urriak 27an, Rasmus-ek idatzi zuen: > > [...] > > > > > It’s unfortunate, but pandoc has the most easily adaptable CSL > implementation for our use case, as far as I can see. The other > contender is Zotero (in JS, possib

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On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Rasmus wrote: > Aaron Ecay writes: > > > > > > It’s unfortunate, but pandoc has the most easily adaptable CSL > > implementation for our use case, as far as I can see. The other > > contender is Zotero (in JS, possibly with XUL-specific bits). It would > > be g

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Eric Abrahamsen writes: > Nicolas Goaziou writes: > >> Eric Abrahamsen writes: >> >>> I've tried more than once over the past couple of years to attack >>> orgstruct mode, and been defeated every time. Largely because >>> indentation/filling is so damn complicated (too many layers of >>> indire

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Rasmus writes: > Eric Abrahamsen writes: > >> Right, I'd forgotten the distinction. I really only use orgstruct for >> plain/numbered list editing (and I guess the occasional table), and >> filling/indentation is pretty key there. > > AFAIK, this doesn't work in commented lines (e.g., when using

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On 2015-10-27, at 19:53, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > I can adapt the code from org-annotate. The unfortunate thing about > tabulated list mode, which I otherwise really like, isn't able to show > multi-line list items. That really crimps its usefulness in showing > footnotes and annotations, since

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Eric Abrahamsen writes: > Right, I'd forgotten the distinction. I really only use orgstruct for > plain/numbered list editing (and I guess the occasional table), and > filling/indentation is pretty key there. AFAIK, this doesn't work in commented lines (e.g., when using orgstruct with init.el).

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Nicolas Goaziou writes: > Eric Abrahamsen writes: > >> I've tried more than once over the past couple of years to attack >> orgstruct mode, and been defeated every time. Largely because >> indentation/filling is so damn complicated (too many layers of >> indirection for my little brain), and org

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Rasmus Pank Roulund writes: > Hi, > > Ista Zahn writes: > >> I disagree. pandoc supports conversion to and from org-mode. > > I fail to see how this is relevant for the discussion at hand. This is not really relevant for citations discussion itself, but having pandoc will make it easier to use

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On Oct 27, 2015 11:09 AM, "Rasmus Pank Roulund" wrote: > > Hi, > > Ista Zahn writes: > > > I disagree. pandoc supports conversion to and from org-mode. > > I fail to see how this is relevant for the discussion at hand. > > > Making pandoc a requirement will enable other useful features (e.g., > >

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Hi, Ista Zahn writes: > I disagree. pandoc supports conversion to and from org-mode. I fail to see how this is relevant for the discussion at hand. > Making pandoc a requirement will enable other useful features (e.g., > "Import documents from...", alternative pandoc-based exporters etc. AFAI

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On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Rasmus wrote: > Hi, > > Rainer M Krug writes: > >> I don't know which OS you are using, but just checking on >> [[https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/releases/1.15.1]] and >> [[https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/releases/tag/1.15.1.1]]: >> >> Windows: 19.7 MB >> Mac: 27.

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Aaron Ecay writes: > You have to write java to use it, which is a big negative (at least for > me). Last time I think we concluded that the CLI interface it exposes > is not adequate (though I actually started off trying to use it). I see. That's probably the reason. > There’s also the issue

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Hi, Rainer M Krug writes: > I don't know which OS you are using, but just checking on > [[https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/releases/1.15.1]] and > [[https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/releases/tag/1.15.1.1]]: > > Windows: 19.7 MB > Mac: 27.9 MB > Deb: 20.2 MB > > The 1600MB must be including LaT

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Hi Rasmus and all, Rasmus writes: > I would feel more comfortable relying on a JS library. Perhaps it’s also > easier to find people who are willing to work on/knows JS over the long > haul... Yes, I agree with both you and Aaron here. JS is easier to distribute and probably easier to find pe

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Rasmus writes: > Aaron Ecay writes: > >> Hi Richard, hi all, >> >> 2015ko urriak 26an, Richard Lawrence-ek idatzi zuen: >>> >> >> [...] >> I was working on this rather intensively at one time, but I had to stop because other aspects of life intruded. I have just been coming back

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Hi Rasmus, 2015ko urriak 27an, Rasmus-ek idatzi zuen: [...] > > Can someone remind me why citeproc-java isn’t good? AFAIR, it has a > bibtex parser. But probably it lacks in some other dimension... You have to write java to use it, which is a big negative (at least for me). Last time I thin

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Aaron Ecay writes: > Hi Richard, hi all, > > 2015ko urriak 26an, Richard Lawrence-ek idatzi zuen: >> > > [...] > >>> I was working on this rather intensively at one time, but I had to stop >>> because other aspects of life intruded. I have just been coming back >>> towards a situation where I c

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Hi Richard, hi all, 2015ko urriak 26an, Richard Lawrence-ek idatzi zuen: > [...] >> I was working on this rather intensively at one time, but I had to stop >> because other aspects of life intruded. I have just been coming back >> towards a situation where I can imagine myself having some (sti

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Eric Abrahamsen writes: > I've tried more than once over the past couple of years to attack > orgstruct mode, and been defeated every time. Largely because > indentation/filling is so damn complicated (too many layers of > indirection for my little brain), and orgstruct added yet another layer >

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On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Richard Lawrence < richard.lawre...@berkeley.edu> wrote: > Hi Nicolas and all, > > Nicolas Goaziou writes: > > > Richard Lawrence writes: > > > >> Yes, this is my understanding, too. In particular, there does not seem > >> to be an Elisp CSL library, and it woul

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Hi Nicolas and all, Nicolas Goaziou writes: > Richard Lawrence writes: > >> Yes, this is my understanding, too. In particular, there does not seem >> to be an Elisp CSL library, and it would be a lot of work to write >> one. > > Here is a genuine question: what is the difficult part, or if the

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Hi Nicolas, Thanks for putting up this list. > ** Backslash escaping > Allowing to escape some symbols in plain text (e.g., emphasis markers, > square brackets...) would remove a limitation in verbatim/code objects. > As a small benefit, it would also permit to implement mid-word markup: > b*o*l

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Richard Lawrence writes: > Yes, this is my understanding, too. In particular, there does not seem > to be an Elisp CSL library, and it would be a lot of work to write > one. Here is a genuine question: what is the difficult part, or if there is none, the longer parts of the work? AFAIU, CSL is

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Nicolas Goaziou writes: > Hello, > > I'd like to see some features moving forward, and some important issues > fixed, hopefully, in the next months. I'm sharing them here so that > anyone interested can help. > [...] > * Important fixes > > ** Cache > > The cache needs to be fixed. Its underlyi

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Hi all, Aaron Ecay writes: > Hi Nicolas, > > Thanks for writing this up. It is important to think about, and > ultimately solve, all the issues you raise. Yes, thanks for this, Nicolas! > 2015ko urriak 25an, Nicolas Goaziou-ek idatzi zuen: >> >> ** Citations >> >> Development apparently s

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Marcin Borkowski writes: > On 2015-10-26, at 00:03, Aaron Ecay wrote: > >> - The only “off the shelf”-capable citation processing library that we >> found last time is in Haskell, which introduced some difficulties for >> distributing the resulting tool. I know some projects >> (e.g. git-

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On 2015-10-26, at 00:03, Aaron Ecay wrote: > - The only “off the shelf”-capable citation processing library that we > found last time is in Haskell, which introduced some difficulties for > distributing the resulting tool. I know some projects > (e.g. git-annex) are written in Haskell and

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On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Rasmus wrote: > Hi, > > First, thanks for writing this up, Nicolas. Org has been a bit slow > lately, at least for my part. > ditto. and thanks to eveyrone in the thread for their input. > > > > > ** Citations > > > > Development apparently stopped for some re

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Hi Nicolas, Thanks for writing this up. It is important to think about, and ultimately solve, all the issues you raise. 2015ko urriak 25an, Nicolas Goaziou-ek idatzi zuen: > > Hello, > > I'd like to see some features moving forward, and some important issues > fixed, hopefully, in the next mon

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Anders Johansson gmail.com> writes: > I hacked together something like this a while ago when I needed to add > inline-comments that would later be exported as odt-comments (but I also > made it work for latex). > > I chose to implement it via a unicode-bracket ❰❙❱, like this: > > ❰Simple commen

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Marcin Borkowski mbork.pl> writes: > > > On 2015-10-25, at 19:12, Nicolas Goaziou nicolasgoaziou.fr> wrote: > > > Fabrice Popineau supelec.fr> writes: > > > >> 2015-10-25 18:57 GMT+01:00 Thomas S. Dye tsdye.com>: > >> > >> > >>> would suggest an alternate wording. In this case, it would be

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naturally, long-form emphasis can look like $[emphasis ...].

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i like some of these ideas, particularly lexical. org already has a lot of syntax. i am leery of introducing yet more heterogenous syntax to org. key word heterogenous. i don't mind more features if it is always using the same syntax framework and thus can take advantage of everything else that

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Nicolas Goaziou writes: > Thomas S. Dye writes: > >> Nicolas Goaziou writes: >> >>> The full proposal was at >>> but it didn't get >>> much positive feedback. Therefore I suggested a simplified version, with >>> a single author. >> >> In m

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Thomas S. Dye writes: > Would tangling honor #+OPTIONS: :student1? #+OPTIONS: @:... is for export, so I guess not. Though, it can be implemented later. Regards,

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Thomas S. Dye writes: > Nicolas Goaziou writes: > >> The full proposal was at >> but it didn't get >> much positive feedback. Therefore I suggested a simplified version, with >> a single author. > > In my case, the lack of positive feedback

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Nicolas Goaziou writes: > The full proposal was at > but it didn't get > much positive feedback. Therefore I suggested a simplified version, with > a single author. In my case, the lack of positive feedback was "too much org, too little tim

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On 2015-10-25, at 20:02, Rasmus wrote: >> ** Backslash escaping > > Would be nice at times. > > I strongly disagree with introducing XML or LaTeX like syntax as is > suggested a bit further down in the thread. Since it seems I'm the only one that proposed (and liked) that idea, let me reiterate

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On 2015-10-25, at 19:22, Eric S Fraga wrote: > By the way, I personally would like inline annotations, along the lines > of inline footnotes. Just saying... +1 -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz Unive

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On 2015-10-25, at 19:12, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > Fabrice Popineau writes: > >> 2015-10-25 18:57 GMT+01:00 Thomas S. Dye : >> >> >>> would suggest an alternate wording. In this case, it would be super >>> helpful to have a function that replaced annotated text with the >>> annotation, so the a

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Hi, First, thanks for writing this up, Nicolas. Org has been a bit slow lately, at least for my part. Perhaps, we should keep a file in org-mode.git which links back to discussions (TODO.org). There’s a couple of other things that we discussed recently. > ** Citations > > Development apparentl

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Marcin Borkowski writes: > On 2015-10-25, at 17:37, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > >> I cannot think of any bad consequence if we tailor "border" in >> `org-emphasis-regexp-components' to allow everything but white spaces. > > I don't know, I guess I would welcome such change! Done in b4af3f0. We'll

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On Sunday, 25 Oct 2015 at 19:12, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > The full proposal was at > but it didn't get > much positive feedback. Therefore I suggested a simplified version, with > a single author. It's a start and that's infinitely better than

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On 2015-10-25, at 17:37, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > Marcin Borkowski writes: > >> Since your point is quite valid - and OTOH, I would like to put anything >> (or almost anything) in =code= markup, for instance (my use case: Emacs >> keybindings, try =C-x ,= - Org won't recognize it as code!). I

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Fabrice Popineau writes: > 2015-10-25 18:57 GMT+01:00 Thomas S. Dye : > > >> would suggest an alternate wording. In this case, it would be super >> helpful to have a function that replaced annotated text with the >> annotation, so the author could easily accept the editor's suggestion. >> >> > I

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2015-10-25 18:57 GMT+01:00 Thomas S. Dye : > would suggest an alternate wording. In this case, it would be super > helpful to have a function that replaced annotated text with the > annotation, so the author could easily accept the editor's suggestion. > > In this case, it would be nice if annot

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Nicolas Goaziou writes: > Hello, > > I'd like to see some features moving forward, and some important issues > fixed, hopefully, in the next months. I'm sharing them here so that > anyone interested can help. > > ** Annotations > > It would be nice to allow annotating text in Org. I already made

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Marcin Borkowski writes: > Since your point is quite valid - and OTOH, I would like to put anything > (or almost anything) in =code= markup, for instance (my use case: Emacs > keybindings, try =C-x ,= - Org won't recognize it as code!). I could > mess up with org-emphasis-regexp-components in e.

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On 2015-10-25, at 16:45, Eric S Fraga wrote: > On Sunday, 25 Oct 2015 at 14:08, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I'd like to see some features moving forward, and some important issues >> fixed, hopefully, in the next months. I'm sharing them here so that >> anyone interested can help. > >

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Eric S Fraga writes: > I'm concerned that it will make typing normal text more onerous. Right > now, org is quite non-intrusive in most of my writing yet is quite rich > in what it can encode. Having to backslash symbols that I use in text > quite often (especially square brackets) would be ann

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Marcin Borkowski writes: > That sounds interesting, though I don't really see much difference > between this and plain simple comments. 1. you cannot simply inline comments (you need to create a new link type or some such); 2. you cannot mark exactly where the comment applies. >> ** Ba

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On Sunday, 25 Oct 2015 at 14:08, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > Hello, > > I'd like to see some features moving forward, and some important issues > fixed, hopefully, in the next months. I'm sharing them here so that > anyone interested can help. Nicolas, I look forward to all the advances you have pro

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On 2015-10-25, at 14:08, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > Hello, > > I'd like to see some features moving forward, and some important issues > fixed, hopefully, in the next months. I'm sharing them here so that > anyone interested can help. > > > * Features > > ** Citations > > Development apparently st

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Hello, I'd like to see some features moving forward, and some important issues fixed, hopefully, in the next months. I'm sharing them here so that anyone interested can help. * Features ** Citations Development apparently stopped for some reason. We have a citation syntax for Org in wip-cite a