On Sun, 08 Jun 2025 11:20:32 +0200 Ihor Radchenko
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> I genle ping. It has been a while this the last update in this thread.
Thanks for the ping. I'll see if I can revisit it this week.
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I feel like I've seen a solution to this before but I can't find it. Is
there a citation processor that will export citation to simple pandoc
format when exporting to markdown? I need to export to a quarto-compatible
(ie, pandoc-compatible) file.
As always, appreciate everyone's help!
Thanks Ihor, this is really helpful.
On Sun, May 4, 2025 at 2:07 PM Ihor Radchenko wrote:
> Matt Price writes:
>
> > the Quarto framework for markdown exports has a cool feature enabling
> > annotation of code:
> >
> > https://quarto.org/docs/authoring/code-ann
Thanks so much,
Matt
On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 00:52:25 +0200 Elle Najt wrote
---
> When executing many (~100) Python or (~1000) bash source blocks
> asynchronously in an org file, Emacs becomes unresponsive. This occurs
> with vanilla Emacs -Q.
>
> It's unclear if this is a *bug* per say -- but it is a perf
On December 19, 2024 12:24:48 AM GMT+01:00, Matt wrote:
>Running from the latest commit, eebc9be7c, on Emacs on Android, I'm not able
>to reproduce.
>
>Did I miss a change between Dec. 10 and today which fixed this?
My bad. To reproduce the error, the blocks *must* be run us
Running from the latest commit, eebc9be7c, on Emacs on Android, I'm not able to
reproduce.
Did I miss a change between Dec. 10 and today which fixed this?
On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 19:43:05 +0100 Ihor Radchenko wrote ---
> ParetoOptimal pareto.opti...@mailfence.com> writes:
>
> > Problem: Running two shell source blocks with the same session doesn't
> > properly extract out results from the sentinel value relating to each
> > respective so
Just wanted to recommend a fix to a conflict in documentation. (I haven't
researched which is correct.)
Couldn't find it reported anywhere...
"When Emacs first visits an Org file, the global state is set to
showeverything, i.e., all file content is visible." -- org mode manual 2.2.2
Initial v
In your case, I suspect it's a coincidence that
aliasing "org-babel-sh-initiate-session" works. A "shell" block defaults to
"explicit-shell-file-name". This, I suspect, is "bash" in your case, yet may
be something different on another system. The al
-args:shell" is explicitly
set to '((async . ((yes no, it seems, to quiet the linter
(https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git/commit/?id=40d1352b).
For other languages, such as "org-babel-header-args:bash", it's set to nil.
AFAICT, what you see are simply the default values.
I'm curious, what caused you to notice this inconsistency?
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and :program-args
within ob-shell.
I anticipate :interpreter-args will be more involved since it will interact
with 'shell-command-switch' and it'd be nice to have it also work with sessions.
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On Wed, 01 May 2024 20:01:03 +0200 Ihor Radchenko wrote ---
> Matt m...@excalamus.com> writes:
>
> > I disagree with one aspect: we shouldn't use Worg as a source of
> > truth. The argument holds based on historical behavior of :cmdline.
> > AFA
27;t good yet may inspire better ones by inspiring
disgust--:switches, :flags, :options, (using an "i" prefix for "interpreter")
:iswitches, :iflags, :ioptions
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r hand,
passes through. The result is that :cmdline "1 2 3" and :cmdline 1 2 3 become
indistinguishable.
#+end_quote
Org mode version 9.7-pre (release_9.6.27-1393-ge0f24a @
/home/ahab/Projects/org-mode/lisp/), commit e0f24a3f6
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: ""1""
Org mode version 9.7-pre (release_9.6.27-1393-ge0f24a @
/home/ahab/Projects/org-mode/lisp/), commit e0f24a3f6
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the way to do that? I recall there being some issues with Woof!. Is
there something not in https://tracker.orgmode.org/howto that I should know?
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thanks for the response, Ihor -- reply inline below:
On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 9:45 AM Ihor Radchenko wrote:
> Matt Price writes:
>
> > ... I need to export each individual page
> > of the "book" to its own markdown page. However, jupyter-book expects to
> >
ning headings to their original state within the larger org document.
Does anyone know of an existing exporter that already does this, from which
I can steal? Or if not, how would you suggest I go about doing this?
Thanks,
Matt
ue | cmdline call
|
|--++|
| :cmdline 1 2 3 | "1 2 3"| bash -c "./sh-script-8GJzdG 1
2 3" |
| :cmdline "1 2"
On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 10:33:15 +0200 Ihor Radchenko wrote ---
> Another OrgMeetup will be scheduled on the last Wednesday of February,
> in two weeks. (Sorry, I cannot make it second Wednesday this time, and
> even third.)
Thanks for running this. I look forward to it :)
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a chance to see the request.
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e ready to
go, barring the concern I have about being unable to test how the fix may
affect non-shell languages.
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 12:07:55 +0100 Ihor Radchenko wrote ---
> > Matt m...@excalamus.com> writes:
> >
> > > - Split prompt filtering and input ech
On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 21:41:05 +0100 Ihor Radchenko wrote ---
> Matt m...@excalamus.com> writes:
>
> > Should I do as before and use 'git revert'? Or, do we want to remove them
> > completely from the history?
>
> Yes, git revert.
Rever
hould I do as before and use 'git revert'? Or, do we want to remove them
completely from the history?
I would be happy to correct my mistake. However, I'm heading to bed now and
unsure if I'll be able to work on this tomorrow or Thursday.
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trenching the design
and making it harder to correct.
What are people's thoughts on changing the return type of
=org-babel-comint-with-output=?
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On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 12:07:55 +0100 Ihor Radchenko wrote ---
> Matt m...@excalamus.com> writes:
>
> > - Split prompt filtering and input echoing into two filters
> > + this seems to imply a =-hook= or =-functions= type implementation
>
> Not necessar
On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 17:26:48 +0100 Max Nikulin wrote ---
> On 17/03/2024 20:42, Matt wrote:
> > On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 11:31:00 +0100 Ihor Radchenko wrote ---
> > >
> > > (1) revert the commit; (2) re-apply the
> > > commit version
On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 11:31:00 +0100 Ihor Radchenko wrote ---
> Matt m...@excalamus.com> writes:
>
> > First, would you like me to update the commit? If so, I will need
> > guidance. The correct procedure to change the author after committing to
> >
uot;error: corrupt patch at line 10". It's not clear to me if this is an error on
my end or if the patch is indeed ill-formatted. Can you confirm that the
submitted patch is well-formatted?
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Finally had time to commit it.
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git/commit/?id=0e2a9524dc6da8b4d60672e85aba74076baac211
Nice catch and thanks for your contribution!
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claiming "better handling of table in shell scripts" So, it looks like their
inclusion was intentional.
Maybe someone has deeper insights?
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xplicit-shell-file-name name)
> +(shell-file-name name))
> (org-babel-execute:shell body params
>(put fname 'definition-name 'org-babel-shell-initialize))
> (defalias (intern (concat "org-babel-variable-assignments:" name))
l working on "[BUG] Prompt appears in async
shell results"
(https://list.orgmode.org/18dbc1f273c.11687295c1395973.3345700621594100...@excalamus.com/T/#u)
and will circle back to this when that's done.
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egin_src sh :session *test* :results value
echo "hello world"
#+end_src
#+RESULTS:
: 0
#+name: async value
#+begin_src sh :session *test* :results value :async t
echo "hello world"
#+end_src
#+RESULTS:
: hello world
: 0
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On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 13:17:54 +0100 Ihor Radchenko wrote ---
> Matt m...@excalamus.com> writes:
>
> > I had responded in favor here:
> > https://list.orgmode.org/18d4cf138a6.10fb9c6702382826.5023996590743168...@excalamus.com/
>
> Did I miss something.
https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/standards.html#Documentation
[fn:2] https://www.fsf.org/licensing/gnu-press/GNU-Press-styleguide.pdf
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You're welcome and thanks for sharing your ideas.
Any lack of comments from me recently is just limited time and trying to focus
on maintenance.
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ated after the second)?
> - on failure, Org babel sometimes uses ~org-babel-eval-error-notify~. How
> will it interact with asynchronous evaluation? What if we have multiple
> simultaneously arriving error notifications?
> Example: try running
> #+begin_src bash
> idontexist
> #+e
ill need to call (setq my-org-babel-comint--async-uuid nil).
The challenge I've found with Babel is figuring out how to make the changes.
My current approach is to address bugs and to make changes that move us toward
something like the ob-blub implementation. I wonder if it might help to
d
g? In addition to prompt
filtering and input echo filtering, ob-shell filters the
=org-babel-sh-eoe-indicator=. I'm sure there's other filtering that happens on
block output. Wouldn't it be nice if that were in a single place, like right
before results are inserted?
Please feel
accessibility, though, and make sure
the overlay is apparent, visually and otherwise.
> If that technique looks safe enough and interesting, I can prepare a set of
> patches so that we can discuss it further and, maybe, add it in Org.
Please do! I'm super interested. I've p
ch doesn't
filter results
(https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git/tree/lisp/ob-comint.el#n212).
It seems to me that we should extract the filter from
=org-babel-comint-with-output= and use it in both
=org-babel-comint-with-output= and =org-babel-comint-async-filter=.
Thoughts?
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I should also say that I appreciate the effort and thoughtfulness you've put
into this. Definite bonus points :) If I'm able to find the time to read up
on this part of Org, I'd be happy to work with you further on this.
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Thank you for your suggestions. Unfortunately, I'm not yet familiar with this
part of Org. Can you give a link to the Reddit thread where this was discussed?
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anything. On 2008-01-27, they were discussing
results of a recent survey. I was able to find a copy from the week after the
change. I didn't see anything that would have motivated the change.
Here's the archived survey. It's interesting.
https://web.archive.org/web/20080202
ng the manual, I didn't see mention of it,
although I may have missed it. The behavior I see doesn't match my
expectation. I would expect to see:
#+RESULTS:
:results:
Sat Jan 27 09:11:21 PM CET 2024
Sat Jan 27 09:11:21 PM CET 2024
Sat Jan 27 09:11:21 PM CET 2024
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Timothy writes:
> Hi Matt and Ihor,
> I must admit that with the new system, I don’t see much value in accepting a
> function: we now scale the previews based on a combination of the :scale
> parameter and their actual LaTeX display size.
Yep, we can close/cancel this patch. I ha
nt subject
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would make sense to refactor the =stdin= and =cmdline= parameters.
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Matt Huszagh writes:
> Another minor issue I've encountered. Using different delimiters results
> in images of slightly different sizes.
>
> For example, in a file containing:
>
> ```
> Using first delimiters: \(F=ma\).
>
> Using other delimiters: $F=ma$.
> `
than the one
using \(\).
Matt
s, but I wouldn't be surprised if this breaks other
things too. I hesitate to suggest alternatives because I don't know
enough about your use case. But, maybe you could achieve what you want
through a new org-latex-compile-async function, or add a nondefault
option to org-latex-compile?
Matt
Hi,
Bringing this back up. Ihor, I've added you to the thread directly
(hope that's ok).
Any thoughts? I have not yet updated it for the most recent changes to
main, but I can do that.
Matt
On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:40 PM Matt Huszagh wrote:
>
> Matt Huszagh writes:
>
Ihor Radchenko writes:
> Matt Huszagh writes:
>
>> These are nice ideas, and ones I hadn't considered. Thanks for the
>> suggestions! I'll think about it a bit and may modify the patch
>> accordingly.
>
> May I ask if you further considered changing the p
hat the naming convention is at the "org-" level and not at the
library level (for example, "ob-shell-"). A large part of my
confusion, I think, was simply inconsistencies within ob-shell.
It's late for me, so rather than commit in a rush, I'm posting this
f
gt;
> I'd rather keep the value in `org-babel-shell-names' though. It should
> do no harm.
Done https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git/commit/
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On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 21:30:59 +0100 Matt wrote ---
> The change on August 26, 2022 should have caused a breaking error for
> someone using the "Policy-compliant Ordinary SHell." The prompt for "posh"
> in "org-babel-shell-set-prompt-commands&q
cmd.exe, although I wouldn't expect it to be 100% compatible with the
> real thing.
That's an interesting idea. Might be a "good enough" work around. The VM
image I mentioned says, "The VM will require a minimum of 8GB of RAM and at
least 70GB of disk space"
. It always reduces to "it would be nice,
however we lack a developer or the equipment, so sadly no."
As current ob-shell maintainer, here's how I see it:
I like the idea of supporting PowerShell. I like the idea of supporting
cmd.exe much, much more.
Both are associated with a n
On Sat, 06 Jan 2024 13:53:28 +0100 Ihor Radchenko wrote ---
> Matt m...@excalamus.com> writes:
>
> > > As a non-native speaker, I have some difficulties understanding
> > > "legible" meaning in this context.
> >
> > How does
On Fri, 05 Jan 2024 14:04:17 +0100 Ihor Radchenko wrote ---
> Thanks for the comments!
> I am attaching the next iteration of the patch.
Looks good
> Matt m...@excalamus.com> writes:
>
> > +Org Mode is an authoring tool and a to-do lists manager for GNU E
> I am mostly neutral here, but I can see an argument why mentioning .org
> extension may be useful - unlike Windows, GitHub does expect .org file
> extension specifically to render Org mode files. The same goes for
> non-Emacs editors that support Org markup. For example, Vim/Neovim.
That's a good point.
Knowing about the .org extension is useful. I don't think it hurts anything
other than taking up valuable space. If we need to bump something from the
first paragraph, this gets my vote.
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and a to-do lists manager for GNU Emacs.
+It uses a legible plain-text notation to show formatting, structure,
+relationships. Anyone able to edit text can write using Org. Anyone
+able to read text can view it.
As an authoring tool, Org helps you write structured documents and
provides exporting facilities. Org files can also be used for literate
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On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 13:05:27 +0100 Ihor Radchenko wrote ---
> See the attached.
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On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 18:05:05 +0100 Ihor Radchenko wrote ---
> Matt m...@excalamus.com> writes:
> > Checking ox.el, I see that the commentary says,
> >
> > ";; See https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-export-reference.html> for
> > ;; more
e nodes with children to text, passing the nodes
>themselves and their contents to the corresponding transcoders
>and then to export filters (see [[*Filters]]).
Add a "the":
"...and then to *the* export filters (see [[*Filters]])."
-
Checking ox.el, I
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 22:56:00 +0100 Matt wrote ---
> I tend leave the period of the last sentence of a list.
Typo. I meant to write "I tend TO leave the period OFF the last sentence of a
list." That is, the item ends without a period.
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y citation backend finalizer
"Finalizer" is vague. What's its significance? Does it correspond to
a function the end-user might look up?
Overall, great work! For each "negative" bit of feedback, there were
at least two things that deserve "positive" commen
emporary." Each call is
executed in an independent environment. State does not exist between
calls. In the early-history of Babel, this was called the
"functional" style.
All of this relates to the ":results value" and ":results output"
header arguments. This is not the first time this has been discussed:
https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/ca+a2izaziafmegpbql6qgrzrwevvlvc0duw++t4gcf3nguw...@mail.gmail.com/
Before discussing too much, maybe it would help to get a list of
related terms that need clarification?
- "imperative"
- "functional"
- "session"
- "scripting"
PROBLEM: non-specific requirement reference. What other languages are "like
Python"?
PROBLEM: redundant words
PROBLEM: change of voice
PROBLEM: singular form used to reference a plural (should we say "result" or
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 15:35:13 +0100 Ihor Radchenko wrote ---
> Matthew, this thread might be of interest for you as the new feature is
> largely aiming at the shell block output.
> Feel free to jump in if you have comments on the design of the
> ASCII fontification for complex shell
On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 13:24:30 +0100 Ihor Radchenko wrote ---
> Doing the releases too frequently will increase a chance of such bugs
> crawling into ELPA releases. So, there should be at least a minimal
> waiting period to get a chance to handle such problems.
Thank you for explain
On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 12:27:01 +0100 Ihor Radchenko wrote ---
> What do you think about the attached patch?
Not part of the patch, but part of the context: "you shoud *NOT*" -> "you
should *NOT*" (missing the 'l') Already fixed and pushed
(https://git.sr.ht/~bzg/worg/commit/a11b25608
On Mon, 04 Dec 2023 14:55:58 +0100 Ihor Radchenko wrote ---
> Matt m...@excalamus.com> writes:
>
> > > #+begin_src bash :cmdline 1 2 3
> > >printf "%s\n" "$1"
> > > #+end_src
> > >
> > > #+RESU
On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 07:57:26 +0100 Max Nikulin wrote ---
> I would say that :cmdline is treated in a different way in comparison to
> :var:
It most definitely is. It's a completely separate process from :var.
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 16:54:39 +0100 Max Nikulin wrote ---
> I have faced an inconsistency with :cmdline treatment in ob-shell.el.
These are sadly easy to find.
If you run:
#+begin_src bash :cmdline 1
echo "$1"
#+end_src
Then it fails with
list: Wrong type argument: sequencep, 1
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 16:54:39 +0100 Max Nikulin wrote ---
> I have faced an inconsistency with :cmdline treatment in ob-shell.el. I
> expect same results in the following cases:
>
> #+begin_src bash :cmdline 1 2 3
>printf "%s\n" "$1"
> #+end_src
>
> #+RESULTS:
> : 1
>
>
On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 23:07:57 +0100 Matt wrote ---
> The second claim has nothing to do with Org Babel. I was able to confirm it
> and provide the steps to reproduce. I think it would make sense to report
> it upstream and let them decide if it's expected behavi
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 09:54:46 +0100 Bruno Barbier
> But, you're right. To be safe, from now on, I'll use:
>
> cat /tmp/test.sh | bash -c bash
It's still not clear to me if this is "what Emacs does". However, that's the
best I could come up with.
Evaluating the following
To clarify a previous typo I made. Everything I've written was also done using:
1. emacs -q
2. C-x b "*scratch*"
3. M-x org-mode
4. Execute
#+begin_src emacs-lisp :results none
(org-babel-do-load-languages
'org-babel-load-languages
'((shell . t)))
#+end_src
This corresponds to Org mode v
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 09:29:56 +0100 Bruno Barbier
> IIUC, what Max is saying is that you should not concentrate on
> *that specific command* because that command doesn't do what you think
> it does.
Cool, it sounds like we're agreed (albeit for different reasons).
> To reproduce,
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 04:11:03 +0100 Max Nikulin wrote ---
> > bash -c bash /tmp/two-lines.sh
>
> From my point of view it was a plain mistake in attempts to simulate
> the issue outside of Emacs. There is no point to concentrate on this
> command. I tried to explain that it
On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 10:20:28 +0100 Ihor Radchenko wrote ---
> This has nothing to do with Emacs comint and this is also not a bug in
> Emacs
Ihor, there were two claims made in the original report. I was referring to
Claim 2. That deals with M-x shell and therefore comint-mode.
alaincochard alain.coch...@unistra.fr writes:
> Yes. (So I think that explains the 'no' above.)
Thank you for clarifying.
> Anyway, this gives me the opportunity to come back to the question of
> whether or not there is a problem with emacs itself (like some people
> here thought), and if
On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 10:30:59 +0100 Ihor Radchenko wrote ---
> Or we can make use of TRAMP as we usually do to access remote
> environment. IMHO, it is more reliable as TRAMP takes care about
> arranging all the Elisp FS interaction to work on remote system.
Agreed. Also, I wasn't
On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 17:32:19 +0100 Matt wrote ---
> (let ((buff "*localhost-process-buffer*"))
> (switch-to-buffer
>(make-comint-in-buffer
> "localhost-process"
> buff
> "ssh"
> nil
> (format &qu
I was poking around, learning how sessions are started. Basically, `shell`
creates the comint buffer using `make-comint-in-buffer`. What I find
interesting is that `make-comint-in-buffer` can also create a comint buffer
from a network stream:
(let ((buff "*localhost-process-buffer*"))
(sw
On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 04:54:15 +0100 Max Nikulin wrote ---
> https://list.orgmode.org/ugucve$12l4$1...@ciao.gmane.io
Thanks for the reference. It's always good to relate associated information :)
Here's a quick hack to replace an Org link with a footnote. Maybe a fun first
commit for someone would be to update `org-footnote-new` to accept optional
LABEL and DEFINITION arguments that allow a footnote to be created
programmatically?
(defun my-replace-link-with-footnote ()
"Replace an o
On Thu, 09 Nov 2023 13:13:36 +0100 Ihor Radchenko wrote ---
> A bigger problem is that errors *Org Babel Error
> Output* are not clickable:
Interesting.
> So, it looks like we may need an alternative `org-babel-eval' function
> that works with script files rather than input and a
On Tue, 07 Nov 2023 09:53:46 +0100 Ihor Radchenko wrote ---
> Matt m...@excalamus.com> writes:
>
> > On Mon, 06 Nov 2023 14:32:16 +0100 Ihor Radchenko wrote ---
> > > I am wondering about the possible downsides of using script approach
> >
On Mon, 06 Nov 2023 14:32:16 +0100 Ihor Radchenko wrote ---
> I am wondering about the possible downsides of using script approach
> instead of stdin redirection.
I'm curious to hear more about what you're thinking.
> > "ssh -n derp@host mycommand").
>
> Yes, I use an SSH key, and yes, '-n' saves the day. Thanks.
Hi Alain,
I'm the supposed maintainer of ob-shell who's been missing in action for this
whole discussion.
I want to confirm, are you able to accomplish your task by using '-n'?
Matt
On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 14:41:18 +0100 Ihor Radchenko wrote ---
> The following libraries have no maintainer or author active on the list:
> ob-comint, ob-core, ...
I'm interested (and technically still maintainer of ob-shell). ob-comint and
ob-core are both used by ob-shell, so I've lo
On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 05:52:42 +0200 Robert Synofzik wrote ---
> Hello,
> the exact same error occurs for me:
> https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/72243/macos-org-babel-python-with-session-output-give-python-el-eval
>
> do you possibly have any idea on how to fix this?
Just
Changes have been pushed
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 12:24:12 +0200 Ihor Radchenko wrote ---
> > - Section 13.18: Export in Foreign Buffers
> >
> > The section uses the term "foreign buffer" without providing a definition.
> >
> > Proposed solution: Change wording from "foreign buffers" to "Convert
> > Region"
In the Emacs Berlin meeting today, we noticed several items that might be
improved in the manual.
- Section 13.18. 1: Bare HTML may be better placed under Section 13.9 HTML
Export. The information in this section appears unrelated to Exporting in
non-Org buffers. In fact, the settings given
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