Re: [elephant-devel] bdb licencing

2007-05-23 Thread Robert L. Read
But the Oracle BDB now appears to be under a "BSD-style" license; in what way is it GPLed? On Thu, 2007-05-24 at 01:19 +, Ian Eslick wrote: > That sounds fine, I didn't research the commercial license extensively. I > think I was thinking of the other problem for commercial sites...isn't i

Re: [elephant-devel] bdb licencing

2007-05-23 Thread Chris Dean
"Ian Eslick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > isn't it the case that the BDB GPL requires that a public-facing > website based on BDB make available all the code that is linked with > it? A commercial license would allow you to bypass this GPL > restriction so you would need a license unless you wan

Re: [elephant-devel] bdb licencing

2007-05-23 Thread Ian Eslick
That sounds fine, I didn't research the commercial license extensively. I think I was thinking of the other problem for commercial sites...isn't it the case that the BDB GPL requires that a public-facing website based on BDB make available all the code that is linked with it? A commercial lice

Re: [elephant-devel] bdb licencing

2007-05-23 Thread Chris Dean
Joubert Nel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Reading the Oracle licensing page ... > 3) They specifically state that you don't need a license if your > application is not distributed to others. > > Legally, the clarification then needs to be around what constitutes > "distribution". Exactly. That

Re: [elephant-devel] bdb licencing

2007-05-23 Thread Robert L. Read
Thanks for pointing this out. Looking at the actual license, it seems clear to me that they have adapted a "BSD-style" license, which is quite a change from the sleepycat license (which very explicitly mentioned a public-facing website.) I will send a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the absence of

Re: [elephant-devel] bdb licencing

2007-05-23 Thread Joubert Nel
On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 18:28, Robert L. Read wrote: > I agree with Ian. Previously, one definitely required a license for > any public-facing commercial website. > I have not researched any change that Oracle may or may not have made. Reading the Oracle licensing page (http://www.oracle.com/techno

Re: [elephant-devel] bdb licencing

2007-05-23 Thread Chris Dean
"Robert L. Read" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I agree with Ian. Previously, one definitely required a license for > any public-facing commercial website. I have not researched any > change that Oracle may or may not have made. Wow, news to me. Do you know of a web page or email archive that c

Re: [elephant-devel] bdb licencing

2007-05-23 Thread Robert L. Read
I agree with Ian. Previously, one definitely required a license for any public-facing commercial website. I have not researched any change that Oracle may or may not have made. On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 16:06 -0400, Ian Eslick wrote: > On May 23, 2007, at 3:45 PM, Chris Dean wrote: > > > > >> Am I

Re: [elephant-devel] bdb licencing

2007-05-23 Thread Chris Dean
Ian Eslick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think that Sleepycat, now Oracle clarified that distinction and > that any public-facing for-profit website needs a license. Robert > may have more to say on this topic. Very interesting, do you know of a reference for that does clarify that distinction

Re: [elephant-devel] bdb licencing

2007-05-23 Thread Ian Eslick
On May 23, 2007, at 3:45 PM, Chris Dean wrote: Am I right that I can't use elephant+bdb in closed source commercial application without purchasing licence? IANAL, but my reading is that if you ship a closed source product you need a license for Berkeley DB. If you have a service/web site (

Re: [elephant-devel] bdb licencing

2007-05-23 Thread Ian Eslick
Yes, that is my understanding and one of the primary motivations for the SQL backend and forthcoming lisp backends. -Ian Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:56:52 To:elephant-devel@common-lisp.net Subject: [elephant-de

Re: [elephant-devel] bdb licencing

2007-05-23 Thread Chris Dean
> Am I right that I can't use elephant+bdb in closed source commercial > application without purchasing licence? IANAL, but my reading is that if you ship a closed source product you need a license for Berkeley DB. If you have a service/web site (like Google, Yahoo, etc) my reading is that you

[elephant-devel] bdb licencing

2007-05-23 Thread woei
I have read http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/berkeley-db/htdocs/licensing.html and http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/berkeley-db/htdocs/oslicense.html Am I right that I can't use elephant+bdb in closed source commercial application without purchasing licence? __