Re: [Elementary-dev-community] 3D & WMs in Luna

2012-05-15 Thread Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
I've just made Ubiquity aware of existence of Compiz, Mutter and Muffin, so whatever WM we use, ubiquity won't be missing out or pulling in metacity. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://la

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] We can has automated crash reporting!!1

2012-05-15 Thread Daniel Foré
Yay. Thanks Sergey! Best Regards, Daniel Foré El may 15, 2012, a las 4:15 p.m., "Sergey \"Shnatsel\" Davidoff" escribió: > Okay, crash reporting should finally work properly for our apps in daily > builds. You'll need both apport-hooks-elementary package from daily PPA and > patched apport f

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] We can has automated crash reporting!!1

2012-05-15 Thread Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
> > why do some packages have to be in os-patches ppa? > See this announcement: https://launchpad.net/elementaryos/+announcement/9705 -- Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff OS integrator @ elementary -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] We can has automated crash reporting!!1

2012-05-15 Thread Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
Okay, crash reporting should finally work properly for our apps in daily builds. You'll need both apport-hooks-elementary package from daily PPA and patched apport from os-patches PPA for it to work on other systems. Without the patched apport the report will succeed, but it will be visible only to

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Items for Beta

2012-05-15 Thread Daniel Foré
I haven't had any problems at all with 0.9. I'm wondering how many people actually have? Like I said before, there's not exactly been a massive amount of complaints about 12.04 having shitty compiz. So tbh I really wouldn't waste any time on trying to get 0.8. Especially if we're planning to switc

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Items for Beta

2012-05-15 Thread Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
2012/5/15 Mario Guerriero > The indicator stuff is half done. It will be completelly ready in theese > days! w00t! I'll try to land it to the OS as it happens! > Also, Sergey, did you find a solution for the compiz problem? If not I > think we can also use compiz 0.9 with no problems > Not yet

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Items for Beta

2012-05-15 Thread Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
I'm on the Plymouth stuff, I've got quite some experience with that. I could use some help on gfxboot and other parts of the boot process, though. You'd better polish Compiz before I land it because it's not easy to convert exported profiles to plugin defaults. I think I'll have to write a script

[Elementary-dev-community] Items for Beta

2012-05-15 Thread Daniel Foré
Hey guys, I just wanted to give a quick rundown of the things we need to accomplish in order to go public beta (not including app work, just OS work). 1. *Boot/Login*. There's going to be some more seriously work done by Canonical for system compositor and lightdm from boot and stuff, so f

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] 3D & WMs in Luna

2012-05-15 Thread Cassidy James
Little anecdotal comment to add to the mix: Compiz 0.9 is visibly very glitchy on both my Chromebook and Vaio, whereas Compiz 0.8 is smooth as butter. I don't know if it's version-related, driver-related, or what. On May 15, 2012 11:47 AM, "Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff" < ser...@elementaryos.org> wro

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] 3D & WMs in Luna

2012-05-15 Thread Daniel Foré
tbh, I think we should stick to 0.9 If we're planning to release Luna any time soon we need to be reducing the amount of work we still have to do as much as humanly possible. 12.04 released with 0.9 and I haven't heard about any huge backlash against it at all. We can delay our window manager wor

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] 3D & WMs in Luna

2012-05-15 Thread Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
Sorry, parsing error xD So, the easiest to code is some Compiz version, I'm not sure which one. 0.9 seems to have really overly complicated config system half of which is not used, and I've got 0.8 to build and work except it builds only on my machine. You won't really know before you do both :D

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] 3D & WMs in Luna

2012-05-15 Thread Andrea Basso
Shnatsel, from my testing I have found next to no problem with Compiz 0.9, so I'm not against it for Luna. On the other hand, Mutter/Muffin seems to be exactly what we're looking for. How hard is it to implement? Do you think it's doable for Luna? Dan, I agree on temporarily dropping suppor

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] 3D & WMs in Luna

2012-05-15 Thread Daniel Foré
Why 0.8? I thought that was gonna be a PITA. And then we lose all kinds of features and I'm sure we'll introduce bugs since none of us are testing 0.8 right now. Best Regards, Daniel Foré El may 15, 2012, a las 9:12 a.m., "Sergey \"Shnatsel\" Davidoff" escribió: > 2012/5/15 Daniel Foré > Wh

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] 3D & WMs in Luna

2012-05-15 Thread Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
2012/5/15 Daniel Foré > > While we're thinking about that, we do have a bit of an ace in the hole. I > know it would suck a lot, but we could consider delaying Luna until after > 12.10 in order to inherit LLVM pipe and also to have the time to get > Mutter/Muffin up to speed. > IMHO we're already

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] 3D & WMs in Luna

2012-05-15 Thread Daniel Foré
Okay so here's my thought: Obviously drop 2D support. That is a hell of a relief to be able to do. We don't really have anyone to do the work it's going to take to get Mutter/Muffin up to speed. The animations are just lame, I wouldn't want to ship it. However Compiz is a dead-end in the long

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] 3D & WMs in Luna

2012-05-15 Thread Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
According to commit log, Muffin is almost identical to Mutter. https://github.com/linuxmint/muffin/commits/master?page=1 -- Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff OS integrator @ elementary -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpa

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] 3D & WMs in Luna

2012-05-15 Thread Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
And those docs you linked look like abandoned README legacied from Metacity, which has suffered some obscure upconversion to Mutter and a "sed -i s/mutter/muffin/g" along the way. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpa

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] 3D & WMs in Luna

2012-05-15 Thread Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
2012/5/15 Andrea Basso > I know very little about WMs, but it seems Muffin does support window > snapping, it just requires to press Shift, but I think changing something > like this shouldn't be a problem. To have more info: > https://github.com/linuxmint/muffin/blob/master/README-Mutter > It r

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] 3D & WMs in Luna

2012-05-15 Thread Andrea Basso
I know very little about WMs, but it seems Muffin does support window snapping, it just requires to press Shift, but I think changing something like this shouldn't be a problem. To have more info: https://github.com/linuxmint/muffin/blob/master/README-Mutter Plus, if we manage to get a better loo

[Elementary-dev-community] 3D & WMs in Luna

2012-05-15 Thread Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
Hello guys, I've got an inconvenient truth to report. It seems we cannot provide a decent unaccelerated fallback for Luna. Here's why. We have more and more things based on Clutter. Ubuntu's current softpipe fallback is miserable in terms of performance and downright buggy to the state of unusabi