RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone or zero beat

2007-07-12 Thread Thom LaCosta
On Thu, 12 Jul 2007, Darwin, Keith wrote: In the music field, we use guitar tuners. They tell you if you're sharp of flat. I've often though of using a guitar tuner to tune CW. 622 Hz is an Eb, 659 Hz is an E. Those critters are really usefull...borrowed one last weekend to take to a work

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone or zero beat

2007-07-12 Thread Darwin, Keith
Tone matching judgment - depending on what you're referring to, nobody has it. Most people can identify which of two tones is higher or lower if they have enough pitch separation. As they get closer in pitch, people's ability to tell high or low (sharp or flat) goes away. At that point you have

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone or zero beat

2007-07-12 Thread Brett gazdzinski
I find the K2 and other modern rigs hard to zero, as I have NO tone matching judgment. What I do is jump between cw and cw reverse until I cant hear any difference, that sometimes takes some time The homebrew receiver is easy though, I turn the bfo on and adjust the tuning till I get below

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone or zero beat

2007-07-11 Thread Rick Dettinger
Most modern transceivers, including the Elecraft rigs, have virtually no output within 100 Hz or so of the carrier frequency, thanks to the excellent I.F. filters they use. That makes finding zero beat with the sidetone mandatory to avoid an error or 100 Hz or more in trying to tune onto the othe

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone or zero beat

2007-07-11 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
It's a mistake to think that a tone deaf person has any trouble zero beating. It just isn't so. That's because the frequency of the tones is immaterial. The "trick" is to know how to hear the beat note. One doesn't care what the frequency of the signal is or whether it's any where near the sideto

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone or zero beat

2007-07-11 Thread Ian Stirling
On Wednesday 11 July 2007 14:25:35 Gary D Krause wrote: > I was just wondering what people prefer. I have used audio zero beating since my first station: separates, an Eddystone EA12 and Yaesu FL-101. And I tune my own pianos. Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962 --

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone or zero beat

2007-07-11 Thread Gary D Krause
Thanks Bill. It's good to know that the K3 will do that. I understand that I am zero beating in both cases. I'm not tone deaf, it's just that it takes me longer to match tones. Usually, by the time I get the tones matched the station I wanted to contact is either gone or in a QSO with anothe

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone or zero beat

2007-07-11 Thread Jack Smith
My Z100 kit is intended to allow fast matching the incoming signal with the side tone, through 24 LEDs in a spectrum display, 25 Hz per LED, to give you the direction to adjust and the mis-tuning magnitude. Jack K8ZOA www.cliftonlaboratories.com ___