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2011-02-26 Thread Dave Airlie
On Fri, 2011-02-25 at 15:42 -0500, Phillip Susi wrote: > On 2/25/2011 3:03 PM, Dave Airlie wrote: > > How do you know its running in an infinite loop? > > Because the gpu temperature is rising to over 80 C, so it is busy doing > something. And this is booting with init=/bin/bash, so NOTHING is >

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2011-02-26 Thread Dave Airlie
On Fri, 2011-02-25 at 09:38 -0500, Phillip Susi wrote: > On 2/24/2011 6:03 PM, Jerome Glisse wrote: > > We don't have source of firmware, only nouveau is reverse engineering > > the nvidia one. > > Then where does the firmware come from? I've been glancing at the AMD > documentation for the R600

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2011-02-25 Thread Alex Deucher
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Phillip Susi wrote: > On 02/25/2011 06:19 PM, Alex Deucher wrote: >> >> The memory clock is still running at whatever clock it's set to unless >> you manually change it. ?Things are like displays are constantly being >> fed from vram. > > Sure, the master clock is

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2011-02-25 Thread Phillip Susi
On 02/25/2011 06:19 PM, Alex Deucher wrote: > The memory clock is still running at whatever clock it's set to unless > you manually change it. Things are like displays are constantly being > fed from vram. Sure, the master clock is still running, but the dac only reads from the frame buffer so f

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2011-02-25 Thread Alex Deucher
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Phillip Susi wrote: > On 02/25/2011 03:56 PM, Dave Airlie wrote: >> >> So you made an assumpution you knew how graphics cards worked and >> derived a theory, unfortunately the assumption was wrong. > > How so? ?After studying the R600 documentation I found, it soun

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2011-02-25 Thread Phillip Susi
On 02/25/2011 03:56 PM, Dave Airlie wrote: > So you made an assumpution you knew how graphics cards worked and > derived a theory, unfortunately the assumption was wrong. How so? After studying the R600 documentation I found, it sounds like whatever microcode is in that firmware image is constan

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2011-02-25 Thread Alex Deucher
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Phillip Susi wrote: > On 02/25/2011 03:38 PM, Alex Deucher wrote: >> >> The CP firmware has nothing to do with the temperature. ?The CP >> firmware is just a packet parser for reading in command buffers and >> programming the register backbone. ?Just alike a CPU, t

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2011-02-25 Thread Phillip Susi
On 02/25/2011 03:38 PM, Alex Deucher wrote: > The CP firmware has nothing to do with the temperature. The CP > firmware is just a packet parser for reading in command buffers and > programming the register backbone. Just alike a CPU, the GPU runs at > whatever speed it's clock is set to. You can

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2011-02-25 Thread Garry Hurley
I am going to have to get caught up on the development chain. I dropped off for a while while I pursued my MS degree and concentrated on paying the bills, but I am going to have to get back into the thick of coding. I am going through withdrawal. Management courses and systems administration task

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2011-02-25 Thread Alex Deucher
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Phillip Susi wrote: > On 02/25/2011 06:19 PM, Alex Deucher wrote: >> >> The memory clock is still running at whatever clock it's set to unless >> you manually change it.  Things are like displays are constantly being >> fed from vram. > > Sure, the master clock is

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2011-02-25 Thread Phillip Susi
On 2/25/2011 3:03 PM, Dave Airlie wrote: > How do you know its running in an infinite loop? Because the gpu temperature is rising to over 80 C, so it is busy doing something. And this is booting with init=/bin/bash, so NOTHING is running that could be keeping it busy. I had been under the impres

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2011-02-25 Thread Alex Deucher
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Phillip Susi wrote: > On 2/24/2011 6:03 PM, Jerome Glisse wrote: >> We don't have source of firmware, only nouveau is reverse engineering >> the nvidia one. > > Then where does the firmware come from? ?I've been glancing at the AMD > documentation for the R600 and

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2011-02-25 Thread Phillip Susi
On 02/25/2011 06:19 PM, Alex Deucher wrote: The memory clock is still running at whatever clock it's set to unless you manually change it. Things are like displays are constantly being fed from vram. Sure, the master clock is still running, but the dac only reads from the frame buffer so fast

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2011-02-25 Thread Alex Deucher
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Phillip Susi wrote: > On 02/25/2011 03:56 PM, Dave Airlie wrote: >> >> So you made an assumpution you knew how graphics cards worked and >> derived a theory, unfortunately the assumption was wrong. > > How so?  After studying the R600 documentation I found, it soun

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2011-02-25 Thread Garry Hurley Jr.
The infinite loop you mentioned sounds like it could be several things. Polling could explain an infinite loop - "while true {checkForUpdates();}". Such code was common enough in some videi games, too. I think that mechanism has been replaced by scheduled and periodic checks in most cases, but y

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2011-02-25 Thread Phillip Susi
On 02/25/2011 03:56 PM, Dave Airlie wrote: So you made an assumpution you knew how graphics cards worked and derived a theory, unfortunately the assumption was wrong. How so? After studying the R600 documentation I found, it sounds like whatever microcode is in that firmware image is constant

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2011-02-25 Thread Alex Deucher
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Phillip Susi wrote: > On 02/25/2011 03:38 PM, Alex Deucher wrote: >> >> The CP firmware has nothing to do with the temperature.  The CP >> firmware is just a packet parser for reading in command buffers and >> programming the register backbone.  Just alike a CPU, t

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2011-02-25 Thread Phillip Susi
On 02/25/2011 03:38 PM, Alex Deucher wrote: The CP firmware has nothing to do with the temperature. The CP firmware is just a packet parser for reading in command buffers and programming the register backbone. Just alike a CPU, the GPU runs at whatever speed it's clock is set to. You can manua

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2011-02-25 Thread Garry Hurley
I am going to have to get caught up on the development chain. I dropped off for a while while I pursued my MS degree and concentrated on paying the bills, but I am going to have to get back into the thick of coding. I am going through withdrawal. Management courses and systems administration task

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2011-02-25 Thread Dave Airlie
On Fri, 2011-02-25 at 15:42 -0500, Phillip Susi wrote: > On 2/25/2011 3:03 PM, Dave Airlie wrote: > > How do you know its running in an infinite loop? > > Because the gpu temperature is rising to over 80 C, so it is busy doing > something. And this is booting with init=/bin/bash, so NOTHING is >

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2011-02-25 Thread Phillip Susi
On 2/25/2011 3:03 PM, Dave Airlie wrote: > How do you know its running in an infinite loop? Because the gpu temperature is rising to over 80 C, so it is busy doing something. And this is booting with init=/bin/bash, so NOTHING is running that could be keeping it busy. I had been under the impres

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2011-02-25 Thread Alex Deucher
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Phillip Susi wrote: > On 2/24/2011 6:03 PM, Jerome Glisse wrote: >> We don't have source of firmware, only nouveau is reverse engineering >> the nvidia one. > > Then where does the firmware come from?  I've been glancing at the AMD > documentation for the R600 and

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2011-02-25 Thread Garry Hurley Jr.
The infinite loop you mentioned sounds like it could be several things. Polling could explain an infinite loop - "while true {checkForUpdates();}". Such code was common enough in some videi games, too. I think that mechanism has been replaced by scheduled and periodic checks in most cases, but y

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2011-02-25 Thread Dave Airlie
On Fri, 2011-02-25 at 09:38 -0500, Phillip Susi wrote: > On 2/24/2011 6:03 PM, Jerome Glisse wrote: > > We don't have source of firmware, only nouveau is reverse engineering > > the nvidia one. > > Then where does the firmware come from? I've been glancing at the AMD > documentation for the R600

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2011-02-25 Thread Phillip Susi
On 2/24/2011 6:03 PM, Jerome Glisse wrote: > We don't have source of firmware, only nouveau is reverse engineering > the nvidia one. Then where does the firmware come from? I've been glancing at the AMD documentation for the R600 and I'd like to figure out why the firmware seems to be running in

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2011-02-25 Thread Phillip Susi
On 2/24/2011 6:03 PM, Jerome Glisse wrote: > We don't have source of firmware, only nouveau is reverse engineering > the nvidia one. Then where does the firmware come from? I've been glancing at the AMD documentation for the R600 and I'd like to figure out why the firmware seems to be running in

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2011-02-24 Thread Jerome Glisse
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Phillip Susi wrote: > I'm looking for resources I can read to learn more. ?I mostly have some > basic questions that are probably in a FAQ or something, so if someone > could point me the right way I'd appreciate it. > dri.freedesktop.org has most informations we

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2011-02-24 Thread Jerome Glisse
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Phillip Susi wrote: > I'm looking for resources I can read to learn more.  I mostly have some > basic questions that are probably in a FAQ or something, so if someone > could point me the right way I'd appreciate it. > dri.freedesktop.org has most informations we

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2011-02-24 Thread Phillip Susi
I'm looking for resources I can read to learn more. I mostly have some basic questions that are probably in a FAQ or something, so if someone could point me the right way I'd appreciate it. Specifically some of the things I have been wondering are: 1) It looks like the firmware is in the kernel

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2011-02-24 Thread Phillip Susi
I'm looking for resources I can read to learn more. I mostly have some basic questions that are probably in a FAQ or something, so if someone could point me the right way I'd appreciate it. Specifically some of the things I have been wondering are: 1) It looks like the firmware is in the kernel