Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird problem

2010-06-30 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Brent Bloxam put forth on 6/29/2010 3:36 PM: > Thunderbird is a modern threaded application, users are able to perform > many parallel actions. The IMAP protocol returns data for one action at > a time, so in order to follow through with the user requests, it > delegates commands to multiple conne

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird problem

2010-06-29 Thread Brent Bloxam
Stan Hoeppner wrote: Charles Marcus put forth on 6/27/2010 11:37 AM: I think what matters is that the number of connections that TB is expecting to be able to use be *less* than the max supported by the IMAP server. I do know that as soon as I changed the MAX number of connections per IP in Cou

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird problem

2010-06-29 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Charles Marcus put forth on 6/29/2010 6:28 AM: > On 2010-06-28 9:05 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> Charles Marcus put forth on 6/28/2010 4:19 PM: >>> On 2010-06-28 3:30 PM, Dave Brenner wrote: On 6/28/2010 11:58 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: > Hmmm.. care to share a good set of command-line switc

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird problem

2010-06-29 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-06-28 9:05 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Charles Marcus put forth on 6/28/2010 4:19 PM: >> On 2010-06-28 3:30 PM, Dave Brenner wrote: >>> On 6/28/2010 11:58 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: Hmmm.. care to share a good set of command-line switches for top that will let me see per user proces

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird problem

2010-06-29 Thread Steffen Kaiser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 28 Jun 2010, Charles Marcus wrote: With ps aux, I can see all connections, but they are all pretty much at zero with the exception of those where people are moving messages around and such... ps xua|perl -e 'while(<>) { @a=split(/\s+/, $

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird problem

2010-06-28 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Charles Marcus put forth on 6/28/2010 4:19 PM: > On 2010-06-28 3:30 PM, Dave Brenner wrote: >> On 6/28/2010 11:58 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: >> >>> Hmmm.. care to share a good set of command-line switches for top that >>> will let me see per user processes like that? Just running 'top', I only >>> s

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird problem

2010-06-28 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-06-28 3:30 PM, Dave Brenner wrote: > On 6/28/2010 11:58 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: > >> Hmmm.. care to share a good set of command-line switches for top that >> will let me see per user processes like that? Just running 'top', I only >> see the active processes, and there are really very fe

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird problem

2010-06-28 Thread Dave Brenner
On 6/28/2010 11:58 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: Hmmm.. care to share a good set of command-line switches for top that will let me see per user processes like that? Just running 'top', I only see the active processes, and there are really very few... top -U -- Dave Brenner - da...@toledotel.com T

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird problem

2010-06-28 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-06-27 9:18 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > When you get a chance fire up top and take a look at the CPU time > used by each of the 5 imap processes associated with a given TB user. > Four will be at zero or maybe one or 2 seconds. You'll see the vast > majority of the CPU time is on the fifth i

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird problem

2010-06-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Charles Marcus put forth on 6/27/2010 11:37 AM: > I think what matters is that the number of connections that TB is > expecting to be able to use be *less* than the max supported by the IMAP > server. I do know that as soon as I changed the MAX number of > connections per IP in Courier to 5, all o

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird problem

2010-06-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI put forth on 6/27/2010 6:22 AM: > On 06/27/2010 06:04 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> Regardless, my point is valid and stands: there is no (good) reason >> for the >> protocol to require multiple socket connections when everything can be >> accomplished more efficiently (in terms

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird problem

2010-06-27 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-06-25 11:02 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > This is a pet peeve of mine. Recent TB revs default to opening 5 > IMAP connections. It's default has been 5 connections since for as long as I can remember that option being there, and we've been using TB exclusively in our office since about versio

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird problem

2010-06-27 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 04:04:39AM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de put forth on 6/26/2010 11:52 PM: > > > The references are spot-on. The IDLE command is just designed to notify > > changes to the *selected* mailbox [...] > None of thi

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird problem

2010-06-27 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On 06/27/2010 06:04 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Regardless, my point is valid and stands: there is no (good) reason > for the > protocol to require multiple socket connections when everything can be > accomplished more efficiently (in terms of resources consumed) over a single > socket. I'm sure ma

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird problem

2010-06-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
to...@tuxteam.de put forth on 6/26/2010 11:52 PM: > The references are spot-on. The IDLE command is just designed to notify > changes to the *selected* mailbox. And a client can have just one > selected mailbox (per-connection, that is). That's simply a limitation > of the protocol. Clients may wo

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird problem

2010-06-26 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 09:11:19PM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Patrick Nagel put forth on 6/26/2010 2:08 AM: [...] > I'm no IMAP expert, but what you state here doesn't make any sense at all. [...] > postfix smtpd fire the email showed in my inbo

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird problem

2010-06-26 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Patrick Nagel put forth on 6/26/2010 2:08 AM: > The connections are used for IMAP IDLE [1], AFAIK. So the first five folders > (a.k.a mailboxes) you access(?) get "push mail" - the moment a new mail goes > in or out, Thunderbird knows about it. Why they chose the number five, I > don't > know.

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird problem

2010-06-26 Thread Patrick Nagel
Hi Stan, On 2010-06-26 03:02 UTC Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Steffen Kaiser put forth on 6/25/2010 7:01 AM: > > 2) thunderbird opened too many simultaneous connections to the server. I > > do not remember where they would blocked or terminated, but in some > > cases thunderbird did not seem to detect t

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird problem

2010-06-25 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Steffen Kaiser put forth on 6/25/2010 7:01 AM: > 2) thunderbird opened too many simultaneous connections to the server. I > do not remember where they would blocked or terminated, but in some > cases thunderbird did not seem to detect this failure This is a pet peeve of mine. Recent TB revs defa

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird problem

2010-06-25 Thread Frank Bonnet
Thanks for your *complete* answer Charles . On 06/25/2010 02:32 PM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2010-06-25 7:48 AM, Frank Bonnet wrote: Some users had occasionally a problem with Thunderbird , some random emails with attachement(s) cannot be read anymore the email appears empty and TB seems to ent

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird problem

2010-06-25 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-06-25 7:48 AM, Frank Bonnet wrote: > Some users had occasionally a problem with Thunderbird , some random > emails with attachement(s) cannot be read anymore > the email appears empty and TB seems to enter in an infinite loop > saying it is downloading the message > > The only solution I f

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird problem

2010-06-25 Thread Steffen Kaiser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Frank Bonnet wrote: Some users had occasionally a problem with Thunderbird , some random emails with attachement(s) cannot be read anymore Yep. the email appears empty that one, too and TB seems to enter in an infinite l

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird Problem - What causes this?

2008-01-27 Thread Scott Silva
on 1/27/2008 2:40 PM Marc Perkel spake the following: Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 27 January 2008 20:49:42 Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 27 January 2008 15:41:04 Marc Perkel wrote: Strange problem and I'm not sure what's causing it. I'm using IMAP. A new message arives in the inbox. I

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird Problem - What causes this?

2008-01-27 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Sun, 2008-01-27 at 18:04 -0500, Adam McDougall wrote: > Try running a script to run 'netstat' frequently, say once a minute, and > log the port numbers from the connection, example: > TCPreinheitsgebot:3482mail.egr.msu.edu:993 ESTABLISHED > TCPreinheitsgebot:3485mail.egr.m

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird Problem - What causes this?

2008-01-27 Thread Ed W
OK - I didn't know that I might be reporting something new. Here's some more details. I leave my computer on at might (Windows XP) and it's worse in the morning when I wake up. Thunderbird's checks the email every 1 minute and it's set up to check several IMAP folders. I'm running the latest

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird Problem - What causes this?

2008-01-27 Thread Adam McDougall
Marc Perkel wrote: OK - I didn't know that I might be reporting something new. Here's some more details. I leave my computer on at might (Windows XP) and it's worse in the morning when I wake up. Thunderbird's checks the email every 1 minute and it's set up to check several IMAP folders. I'm r

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird Problem - What causes this?

2008-01-27 Thread Marc Perkel
Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 27 January 2008 20:49:42 Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 27 January 2008 15:41:04 Marc Perkel wrote: Strange problem and I'm not sure what's causing it. I'm using IMAP. A new message arives in the inbox. I see it displayed in the message list in bold. I click

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird Problem - What causes this?

2008-01-27 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 27 January 2008 20:49:42 Anne Wilson wrote: > On Sunday 27 January 2008 15:41:04 Marc Perkel wrote: > > Strange problem and I'm not sure what's causing it. I'm using IMAP. A > > new message arives in the inbox. I see it displayed in the message list > > in bold. I click on the message and

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird Problem - What causes this?

2008-01-27 Thread Timo Sirainen
On Sun, 2008-01-27 at 20:49 +, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Sunday 27 January 2008 15:41:04 Marc Perkel wrote: > > Strange problem and I'm not sure what's causing it. I'm using IMAP. A > > new message arives in the inbox. I see it displayed in the message list > > in bold. I click on the message and

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird Problem - What causes this?

2008-01-27 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 27 January 2008 15:41:04 Marc Perkel wrote: > Strange problem and I'm not sure what's causing it. I'm using IMAP. A > new message arives in the inbox. I see it displayed in the message list > in bold. I click on the message and it looks like it's reading it by the > previous message that

Re: [Dovecot] Thunderbird Problem - What causes this?

2008-01-27 Thread mouss
Marc Perkel wrote: Strange problem and I'm not sure what's causing it. I'm using IMAP. A new message arives in the inbox. I see it displayed in the message list in bold. I click on the message and it looks like it's reading it by the previous message that was in the window remains and the new