Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-10-01 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* Timo Sirainen : > On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 16:51 +0200, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: > > XLIST seems to be pretty proprietary. Have you had a look at LIST-EXTENDED > > instead? > > See http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/morg/current/msg00208.html > thread, especially > http://www.ietf.org/mail-arc

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-10-01 Thread Timo Sirainen
On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 16:51 +0200, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: > XLIST seems to be pretty proprietary. Have you had a look at LIST-EXTENDED > instead? See http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/morg/current/msg00208.html thread, especially http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/morg/current/msg00212.h

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-10-01 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
Timo, * Rob Middleton : > On 25/09/2009 11:14 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: >> It seems that there is no standard for folder names that deal with typical >> message classes such as drafts, outbox, sent, spam etc. At least there's no >> common sense on a naming convention that tells how client sho

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Robert Schetterer
Patrick Ben Koetter schrieb: > * Robert Schetterer : but with autocreate and global sieve rules you can implement a pseudo standart i use tbs one and configure horde/imp like tb does it, in my meaning big players have no intension bring up even a pseudo standart cause they

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Ed W
Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: It seems that there is no standard for folder names that deal with typical message classes such as drafts, outbox, sent, spam etc. At least there's no common sense on a naming convention that tells how client should handle this. Worse than this, most IMAP clients auto-

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* Robert Schetterer : > >> but with autocreate and global sieve rules you can implement a pseudo > >> standart > >> i use tbs one and configure horde/imp like tb does it, in my meaning > >> big players have no intension bring up even a pseudo standart > >> cause they want users to use their own mai

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Axel Thimm
Hi, On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:33:21PM +0200, Robert Schetterer wrote: > Axel Thimm schrieb: > > Given than you seem to bless Apple Mail folder structures it makes it > > a good candidate to try to push as a standard for others to > > copy. Maybe there could be example setups/configs shipped with

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* Ed W : > Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: >> It seems that there is no standard for folder names that deal with typical >> message classes such as drafts, outbox, sent, spam etc. At least there's no >> common sense on a naming convention that tells how client should handle this. >> >> Worse than this,

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* Rob Middleton : > On 25/09/2009 11:14 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: > >It seems that there is no standard for folder names that deal with typical > >message classes such as drafts, outbox, sent, spam etc. At least there's no > >common sense on a naming convention that tells how client should han

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Robert Schetterer
Axel Thimm schrieb: > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 07:55:41PM +0300, Timo Sirainen wrote: >> On Sep 25, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Eric Shubert wrote: >> >>> Timo Sirainen wrote: On Sep 25, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: > Has anyone seen an approach or a solution that solves the problem

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Rob Middleton
On 26/09/2009 6:40 PM, Axel Thimm wrote: On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 07:55:41PM +0300, Timo Sirainen wrote: On Sep 25, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Eric Shubert wrote: Timo Sirainen wrote: On Sep 25, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: Has anyone seen an approach or a so

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Axel Thimm
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 11:40:21AM +0300, Axel Thimm wrote: > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 07:55:41PM +0300, Timo Sirainen wrote: > > On Sep 25, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Eric Shubert wrote: > > > >> Timo Sirainen wrote: > >>> On Sep 25, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: > Has anyone seen an app

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Axel Thimm
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 07:55:41PM +0300, Timo Sirainen wrote: > On Sep 25, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Eric Shubert wrote: > >> Timo Sirainen wrote: >>> On Sep 25, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: Has anyone seen an approach or a solution that solves the problem from a users poi

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Robert Schetterer
Rob Middleton schrieb: > On 25/09/2009 11:14 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: >> It seems that there is no standard for folder names that deal with >> typical >> message classes such as drafts, outbox, sent, spam etc. At least >> there's no >> common sense on a naming convention that tells how client

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Robert Schetterer
Patrick Ben Koetter schrieb: > * Robert Schetterer : >> Patrick Ben Koetter schrieb: >>> It seems that there is no standard for folder names that deal with typical >>> message classes such as drafts, outbox, sent, spam etc. At least there's no >>> common sense on a naming convention that tells how

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Rob Middleton
On 25/09/2009 11:14 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: It seems that there is no standard for folder names that deal with typical message classes such as drafts, outbox, sent, spam etc. At least there's no common sense on a naming convention that tells how client should handle this. XLIST may de

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Robert Schetterer
Patrick Ben Koetter schrieb: > * Charles Marcus : >> On 9/25/2009, Stefan Förster (cite+dovecot-us...@incertum.net) wrote: Has anyone seen an approach or a solution that solves the problem from a users point of view? A server side alias list that maps to a server standard? >>> Tried

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-25 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* Stefan Förster : > * Patrick Ben Koetter : > > * Timo Sirainen : > >> No. And one of the first commands they typically do is LIST. So > >> there are no good ways to solve this. > > > > I suspected that. > > > > Would it be possible to identify a client by the folders it tries to > > subscribe

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-25 Thread Stefan Förster
* Patrick Ben Koetter : > * Timo Sirainen : >> No. And one of the first commands they typically do is LIST. So >> there are no good ways to solve this. > > I suspected that. > > Would it be possible to identify a client by the folders it tries to subscribe > to? You could, of course, have a list

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-25 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* Robert Schetterer : > Patrick Ben Koetter schrieb: > > It seems that there is no standard for folder names that deal with typical > > message classes such as drafts, outbox, sent, spam etc. At least there's no > > common sense on a naming convention that tells how client should handle > > this.

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-25 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* Timo Sirainen : > On Sep 25, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Eric Shubert wrote: > > >Timo Sirainen wrote: > >>On Sep 25, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: > >>>Has anyone seen an approach or a solution that solves the > >>>problem from a users > >>>point of view? A server side alias list that maps

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-25 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* Charles Marcus : > On 9/25/2009, Stefan Förster (cite+dovecot-us...@incertum.net) wrote: > >> Has anyone seen an approach or a solution that solves the problem from a > >> users > >> point of view? A server side alias list that maps to a server standard? > > > Tried that, didn't work out that g

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-25 Thread Robert Schetterer
Patrick Ben Koetter schrieb: > It seems that there is no standard for folder names that deal with typical > message classes such as drafts, outbox, sent, spam etc. At least there's no > common sense on a naming convention that tells how client should handle this. > > Worse than this, most IMAP cli

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-25 Thread Timo Sirainen
On Sep 25, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Eric Shubert wrote: Timo Sirainen wrote: On Sep 25, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: Has anyone seen an approach or a solution that solves the problem from a users point of view? A server side alias list that maps to a server standard? Symlinks maybe

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-25 Thread Eric Shubert
Timo Sirainen wrote: On Sep 25, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: Has anyone seen an approach or a solution that solves the problem from a users point of view? A server side alias list that maps to a server standard? Symlinks maybe? Or something similar done internally. The main p

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-25 Thread Timo Sirainen
On Sep 25, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: Has anyone seen an approach or a solution that solves the problem from a users point of view? A server side alias list that maps to a server standard? Symlinks maybe? Or something similar done internally. The main problem would anywa

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-25 Thread Charles Marcus
On 9/25/2009, Stefan Förster (cite+dovecot-us...@incertum.net) wrote: >> Has anyone seen an approach or a solution that solves the problem from a >> users >> point of view? A server side alias list that maps to a server standard? > Tried that, didn't work out that great (users got confused by 12

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-25 Thread Stefan Förster
* Patrick Ben Koetter : > Has anyone seen an approach or a solution that solves the problem from a users > point of view? A server side alias list that maps to a server standard? Tried that, didn't work out that great (users got confused by 12 dozillion "sent" folders). As for know, I auto-subscr