RE: controlling STARTTLS by IP address

2016-07-15 Thread Michael Fox
KSB: > Just curious, it is transferred in some RSxxx serial protocol? The expectation is that the unencrypted traffic will be used for clients on an Ethernet network behind a radio operating on amateur radio frequencies according to FCC Part 97 rules. The radio could be: -- 56+kbps UHF, such as

Re: controlling STARTTLS by IP address

2016-07-15 Thread KSB
On 2016.07.15. 11:03, Michael Fox wrote: I'm not a FCC lawyer, just a ham. Seems to me all you could do is "sign" messages and not send them if the sign isn't correct. The package itself is in plain text. I'm not sure what the confusion or concern is. The intention is to use non-plaintext (bu

RE: RE: controlling STARTTLS by IP address

2016-07-15 Thread Michael Fox
> -Original Message- > From: dovecot [mailto:dovecot-boun...@dovecot.org] On Behalf Of Jochen > Bern > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 12:46 AM > To: dovecot@dovecot.org > Subject: Re: RE: controlling STARTTLS by IP address > > On 07/14/2016 11:52 PM, Michael Fox wro

RE: controlling STARTTLS by IP address

2016-07-15 Thread Michael Fox
> I'm not a FCC lawyer, just a ham. Seems to me all you could do is "sign" > messages and not send them if the sign isn't correct.  The package itself > is in plain text. I'm not sure what the confusion or concern is. The intention is to use non-plaintext (but technically not encrypted) authentic

Re: RE: controlling STARTTLS by IP address

2016-07-15 Thread Jochen Bern
On 07/14/2016 11:52 PM, Michael Fox wrote: >> Seems like your firewall could redirect to a different port that doesn't >> offer starttls. > Yes, of course. But that would require multiple ports, making the client > configuration cumbersome and error-prone. No, the multiple ports would be on the *

Re: controlling STARTTLS by IP address

2016-07-14 Thread KSB
On 2016.07.15. 2:07, M. Balridge wrote: I just thought to remind people that with some firewalls, there's always a way to perform "silent" redirections using the DNAT target in the PREROUTING table, i.e.,: -t nat -A PREROUTING -i ${EXTIF} -s ${NOTLSSOURCES} -p tcp --dport 110 \ --syn -j DNAT

RE: controlling STARTTLS by IP address

2016-07-14 Thread Michael Fox
> > I just thought to remind people that with some firewalls, there's always > a way > > to perform "silent" redirections using the DNAT target in the PREROUTING > > table, i.e.,: > > > > -t nat -A PREROUTING -i ${EXTIF} -s ${NOTLSSOURCES} -p tcp --dport 110 \ > > --syn -j DNAT --to-destination ${

Re: controlling STARTTLS by IP address

2016-07-14 Thread lists
  From: Michael Fox Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 2:54 PM To: 'Dovecot Mailing List' Subject: RE: controlling STARTTLS by IP address > Are you 100% sure your interpretation of the FCC rules is correct? Yes > Do you really want passwords going out over RF unencrypted? No. I don't

Re: controlling STARTTLS by IP address

2016-07-14 Thread Edgar Pettijohn
On 16-07-14 16:07:53, M. Balridge wrote: > Quoting Michael Fox : > > > > Seems like your firewall could redirect to a different port that doesn't > > > offer starttls. > > > > Yes, of course. But that would require multiple ports, making the client > > configuration cumbersome and error-prone. >

RE: controlling STARTTLS by IP address

2016-07-14 Thread M. Balridge
Quoting Michael Fox : > > Seems like your firewall could redirect to a different port that doesn't > > offer starttls. > > Yes, of course. But that would require multiple ports, making the client > configuration cumbersome and error-prone. It looks like there's an internal Dovecot solution, so

RE: controlling STARTTLS by IP address

2016-07-14 Thread Michael Fox
> You could try > > remote x.x.x.x/y { >ssl = no > } > > Aki That works! Thanks SO much! Michael

Re: controlling STARTTLS by IP address

2016-07-14 Thread Aki Tuomi
On 15.07.2016 00:52, Michael Fox wrote: You could try remote x.x.x.x/y { ssl = no } Aki Wow. OK. But I can find no documentation on how to use that. Would it be used inside service pop3-login, or at the top level? And, does it apply the first match found? For example: # Disable

RE: controlling STARTTLS by IP address

2016-07-14 Thread Michael Fox
> > You could try > > remote x.x.x.x/y { >ssl = no > } > > Aki Wow. OK. But I can find no documentation on how to use that. Would it be used inside service pop3-login, or at the top level? And, does it apply the first match found? For example: # Disable SSL for radio clients remot

RE: controlling STARTTLS by IP address

2016-07-14 Thread Michael Fox
> Are you 100% sure your interpretation of the FCC rules is correct? Yes > Do you really want passwords going out over RF unencrypted? No. I don't plan to use plaintext auth methods. > As far as I know, only ham bands are not allowed to use encryption. Even > baby monitors these days are DECT. (

RE: controlling STARTTLS by IP address

2016-07-14 Thread Michael Fox
> Seems like your firewall could redirect to a different port that doesn't > offer starttls. Yes, of course. But that would require multiple ports, making the client configuration cumbersome and error-prone. Michael

Re: controlling STARTTLS by IP address

2016-07-14 Thread Aki Tuomi
On 15.07.2016 00:13, Edgar Pettijohn wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Jul 14, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Michael Fox wrote: On my POP3 server, I need to be able to control the use of STARTTLS by client IP address. Specifically: * Clients on certain internal subnets (e.g., 192.168.1.0/24) must not ha

Re: controlling STARTTLS by IP address

2016-07-14 Thread lists
Are you 100% sure your interpretation of the FCC rules is correct? Do you really want passwords going out over RF unencrypted?  As far as I know, only ham bands are not allowed to use encryption. Even baby monitors these days are DECT. (Mind you, not good encryption.)   Original Message   Fro

Re: controlling STARTTLS by IP address

2016-07-14 Thread Edgar Pettijohn
Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 14, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Michael Fox wrote: > > On my POP3 server, I need to be able to control the use of STARTTLS by > client IP address. Specifically: > > * Clients on certain internal subnets (e.g., 192.168.1.0/24) must not have > the option to use TLS. If the