Re: NetApp NFS vs. ZFS and NFS for Maildir

2016-03-25 Thread Noel Butler
It seems its troll time again on this list, ohh maybe its Harry in disguise... So I will play along, for today anyway :) On 19/03/2016 18:11, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote: On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 17:37:04 +1000 Noel Butler wrote: On 14/03/2016 18:49, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote: > >> >> and

Re: NetApp NFS vs. ZFS and NFS for Maildir

2016-03-19 Thread James
On 19/03/2016 08:11, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote: Obviously you must work for people that have not the slightest idea about using hardware ... So you have UPSes, power supplies and motherboards that never fail. Good luck to you, you are running on it. For everyone else reading this, do no

Re: NetApp NFS vs. ZFS and NFS for Maildir

2016-03-19 Thread Noel Butler
On 14/03/2016 18:49, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote: and you've never seen these cause problems with FS? then you must be a newbie, in over 25 years I've seen it happen several times - yes even after an apparent controlled shutdown. Maybe you're doing something wrong then. because in my la

Re: NetApp NFS vs. ZFS and NFS for Maildir

2016-03-19 Thread Stephan von Krawczynski
On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 17:37:04 +1000 Noel Butler wrote: > On 14/03/2016 18:49, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote: > > > >> > >> and you've never seen these cause problems with FS? then you must be > >> a > >> newbie, in over 25 years I've seen it happen several times - yes even > >> after an appare

Re: NetApp NFS vs. ZFS and NFS for Maildir

2016-03-14 Thread Stephan von Krawczynski
On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 16:59:28 +1000 Noel Butler wrote: > On 14/03/2016 09:59, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote: > > On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 09:32:42 +1000 > > Noel Butler wrote: > > > >> On 13/03/2016 20:47, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote: > >> > On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 09:45:06 + > >> > James wrote: >

Re: NetApp NFS vs. ZFS and NFS for Maildir

2016-03-14 Thread Noel Butler
On 14/03/2016 09:59, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote: On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 09:32:42 +1000 Noel Butler wrote: On 13/03/2016 20:47, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote: > On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 09:45:06 + > James wrote: > >> On 11/03/2016 15:17, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote: >> >> > zfs set sync=disa

Re: NetApp NFS vs. ZFS and NFS for Maildir

2016-03-13 Thread Stephan von Krawczynski
On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 09:32:42 +1000 Noel Butler wrote: > On 13/03/2016 20:47, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote: > > On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 09:45:06 + > > James wrote: > > > >> On 11/03/2016 15:17, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote: > >> > >> > zfs set sync=disabled ? > >> > >> Only if you are happy

Re: NetApp NFS vs. ZFS and NFS for Maildir

2016-03-13 Thread Noel Butler
On 13/03/2016 20:47, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote: On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 09:45:06 + James wrote: On 11/03/2016 15:17, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote: > zfs set sync=disabled ? Only if you are happy to loose data on power failure. I don't know the actual setup, but if you have no UPC you

Re: NetApp NFS vs. ZFS and NFS for Maildir

2016-03-13 Thread Stephan von Krawczynski
On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 11:47:23 +0100 Stephan von Krawczynski wrote: > On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 09:45:06 + > James wrote: > > > On 11/03/2016 15:17, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote: > > > > > zfs set sync=disabled ? > > > > Only if you are happy to loose data on power failure. > > I don't know th

Re: NetApp NFS vs. ZFS and NFS for Maildir

2016-03-13 Thread Stephan von Krawczynski
On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 09:45:06 + James wrote: > On 11/03/2016 15:17, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote: > > > zfs set sync=disabled ? > > Only if you are happy to loose data on power failure. I don't know the actual setup, but if you have no UPC you shouldn't host email services anyway. -- Re

Re: NetApp NFS vs. ZFS and NFS for Maildir

2016-03-13 Thread James
On 11/03/2016 15:17, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote: > zfs set sync=disabled ? Only if you are happy to loose data on power failure.

Re: NetApp NFS vs. ZFS and NFS for Maildir

2016-03-13 Thread James
On 11/03/2016 14:58, Juan Bernhard wrote: Someone has experiences with ZFS and NFS(v3) in high load environments? Thanks Be careful to no do any synchronous writes under ZFS. By default all NFS writes are synchronous but I assume dovcot sync writes all data anyway so in this case the NFS s

Re: NetApp NFS vs. ZFS and NFS for Maildir

2016-03-11 Thread Stephan von Krawczynski
On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 11:58:00 -0300 Juan Bernhard wrote: > > El 11/03/2016 a las 11:22 a.m., Alessio Cecchi escribió: > > Hi, > > > > I'm evaluating to switch from NetApp to a ZFS appliance (like Qsan). Our > > setup is Dovecot, Maildir for email storage and NFS to share mailboxes > > (more than

Re: NetApp NFS vs. ZFS and NFS for Maildir

2016-03-11 Thread Juan Bernhard
El 11/03/2016 a las 12:04 p.m., Charles Marcus escribió: On 3/11/2016 9:58 AM, Juan Bernhard wrote: Be careful to no do any synchronous writes under ZFS. Every sync write can take up to 3 seconds of latency (under freebsd, I didnt test ZFS in linux). Im using it in a 3k user environment and wo

Re: NetApp NFS vs. ZFS and NFS for Maildir

2016-03-11 Thread Charles Marcus
On 3/11/2016 9:58 AM, Juan Bernhard wrote: > Be careful to no do any synchronous writes under ZFS. Every sync write > can take up to 3 seconds of latency (under freebsd, I didnt test ZFS in > linux). Im using it in a 3k user environment and works great with a 4TB > raid 10, and dovecot cache fi

Re: NetApp NFS vs. ZFS and NFS for Maildir

2016-03-11 Thread Juan Bernhard
El 11/03/2016 a las 11:22 a.m., Alessio Cecchi escribió: Hi, I'm evaluating to switch from NetApp to a ZFS appliance (like Qsan). Our setup is Dovecot, Maildir for email storage and NFS to share mailboxes (more than 30k users) across POP/IMAP and MX servers. NetApp NFS works fine also under hi

NetApp NFS vs. ZFS and NFS for Maildir

2016-03-11 Thread Alessio Cecchi
Hi, I'm evaluating to switch from NetApp to a ZFS appliance (like Qsan). Our setup is Dovecot, Maildir for email storage and NFS to share mailboxes (more than 30k users) across POP/IMAP and MX servers. NetApp NFS works fine also under high load but have some limitation for inode numbers per