Re: Mailing list address harvested for spamming

2018-12-03 Thread Bernd Petrovitsch
Hi! On 02/12/2018 23:58, Noel Butler wrote: > On 02/12/2018 11:00, Hendrik Boom wrote: > >> There's an extensive email etiquette post somewhere on the net >> explaining why setting 'reply-to' to the list is a bad idea. > > Lots of posts around about this, all self serving :) > > There may of

Re: Mailing list address harvested for spamming

2018-12-02 Thread Phil Turmel
On 12/2/18 5:58 PM, Noel Butler wrote: > Lots of posts around about this, all self serving :) >   > There may of course be an RFC floating around, but I admit to never > having bothered to look, because good netizens reply to list, lists are > public, they are for the masses - the membership - the

Re: Mailing list address harvested for spamming

2018-12-02 Thread Noel Butler
On 02/12/2018 11:00, Hendrik Boom wrote: > There's an extensive email etiquette post somewhere on the net > explaining why setting 'reply-to' to the list is a bad idea. Lots of posts around about this, all self serving :) There may of course be an RFC floating around, but I admit to never havi

Re: Mailing list address harvested for spamming

2018-12-02 Thread Michael A. Peters
On 12/02/2018 08:42 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Sun, Dec 02, 2018 at 04:22:52PM +0100, Ralph Seichter wrote: * Ruben Safir: On Sun, Dec 02, 2018 at 03:58:53AM +0100, Bernd Petrovitsch wrote: Let's hope that people who do not know how to use a tool - e.g. like a hammer - doesn't use that tool

Re: Mailing list address harvested for spamming

2018-12-02 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Dec 02, 2018 at 04:22:52PM +0100, Ralph Seichter wrote: > * Ruben Safir: > > > On Sun, Dec 02, 2018 at 03:58:53AM +0100, Bernd Petrovitsch wrote: > > > >> Let's hope that people who do not know how to use a tool - e.g. > >> like a hammer - doesn't use that tool in the first place > >

Re: Mailing list address harvested for spamming

2018-12-02 Thread Ralph Seichter
* Ruben Safir: > On Sun, Dec 02, 2018 at 03:58:53AM +0100, Bernd Petrovitsch wrote: > >> Let's hope that people who do not know how to use a tool - e.g. >> like a hammer - doesn't use that tool in the first place > > that is pretty unrealistic and I don't agree with it anyway. The tool metap

Re: Mailing list address harvested for spamming

2018-12-02 Thread Bernd Petrovitsch
On 02/12/2018 04:13, Ruben Safir wrote: [...] > Email should be intitive (It was for me clear from the context that you meant "intuitive";-) Yes, email (as any other tool) should be intuitive and as easy to use as a hammer (and even hammers can be misused - it' just that we grow up and learn how

Re: Mailing list address harvested for spamming

2018-12-01 Thread Ruben Safir
On 12/1/18 10:13 PM, Ruben Safir wrote: > Email should be intitive intuitive -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDE

Re: Mailing list address harvested for spamming

2018-12-01 Thread Ruben Safir
On Sun, Dec 02, 2018 at 03:58:53AM +0100, Bernd Petrovitsch wrote: > On 02/12/2018 03:05, Michael A. Peters wrote: > [...] > > But - I would wager that over 95% of the time when someone hits the > > reply button on a list post, their intent is to reply to the list. > > Even if it's 99%: What is th

Re: Mailing list address harvested for spamming

2018-12-01 Thread Bernd Petrovitsch
On 02/12/2018 03:05, Michael A. Peters wrote: [...] > But - I would wager that over 95% of the time when someone hits the > reply button on a list post, their intent is to reply to the list. Even if it's 99%: What is the lesser risk if someone get's it wrong? Apart from the situation that people

Re: Mailing list address harvested for spamming

2018-12-01 Thread Bernd Petrovitsch
On 02/12/2018 01:09, Noel Butler wrote: [...] > all should go to list. Its also dumb when list admins dont set reply-to It's quite the opposite. > list, the entire point of relying to a list, is, well, to the list) Sorry, but that tells us more more about the audience of such lists than you ju

Re: Mailing list address harvested for spamming

2018-12-01 Thread Ralph Seichter
* Michael A. Peters: > I would wager that over 95% of the time when someone hits the reply > button on a list post, their intent is to reply to the list. You'd lose that wager. This list, like many others, has a "List-Post" header embedded in every single message posted. People need to use smart

Re: Mailing list address harvested for spamming

2018-12-01 Thread Michael A. Peters
On 12/01/2018 05:49 PM, Ralph Seichter wrote: * Michael A. Peters: Netiquette posts are just someone's opinion, and they often don't take into account the vastly different way different types of minds work. Mailing list netiquette has been around for decades, for good reasons. If Joe User's m

Re: Mailing list address harvested for spamming

2018-12-01 Thread Ralph Seichter
* Michael A. Peters: > Netiquette posts are just someone's opinion, and they often don't take > into account the vastly different way different types of minds work. Mailing list netiquette has been around for decades, for good reasons. If Joe User's mind "works differently", Joe needs to make the

Re: Mailing list address harvested for spamming

2018-12-01 Thread Michael A. Peters
On 12/01/2018 05:00 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: There's an extensive email etiquette post somewhere on the net explaining why setting 'reply-to' to the list is a bad idea. Reply-to is intended for the sender to explain that replies shouldn't be sent to the obvious sending address, but to another a

Re: Mailing list address harvested for spamming

2018-12-01 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Dec 02, 2018 at 10:09:02AM +1000, Noel Butler wrote: > On 02/12/2018 05:31, M. Balridge wrote: > > > Quoting dovecot-...@deemzed.uk: > > > >> Not to stir the pot, but I notice my email address has recently been > >> harvested from this list for spamming purposes. This email address is > >

Re: Mailing list address harvested for spamming

2018-12-01 Thread Michael A. Peters
On 12/01/2018 04:22 PM, Noel Butler wrote: On 02/12/2018 10:16, Michael A. Peters wrote: On 12/01/2018 04:09 PM, Noel Butler wrote: Which is why it annoys me that some people on mailing lists feel the need to reply directly, rather than through mailing list. Sometimes it is the MUA that i

Re: Mailing list address harvested for spamming

2018-12-01 Thread Noel Butler
On 02/12/2018 10:16, Michael A. Peters wrote: > On 12/01/2018 04:09 PM, Noel Butler wrote: > >> Which is why it annoys me that some people on mailing lists feel the need to >> reply directly, rather than through mailing list. > > Sometimes it is the MUA that is poorly designed that causes this.

Re: Mailing list address harvested for spamming

2018-12-01 Thread Michael A. Peters
On 12/01/2018 04:09 PM, Noel Butler wrote: Which is why it annoys me that some people on mailing lists feel the need to reply directly, rather than through mailing list. Sometimes it is the MUA that is poorly designed that causes this. Also, some lists set the "reply to" with the sender rat

Re: Mailing list address harvested for spamming

2018-12-01 Thread Noel Butler
On 02/12/2018 05:31, M. Balridge wrote: > Quoting dovecot-...@deemzed.uk: > >> Not to stir the pot, but I notice my email address has recently been >> harvested from this list for spamming purposes. This email address is >> unique and not used for anything else. >> >> I'd distinguish this from s

Re: Mailing list address harvested for spamming

2018-12-01 Thread M. Balridge
Quoting dovecot-...@deemzed.uk: > Not to stir the pot, but I notice my email address has recently been > harvested from this list for spamming purposes. This email address is > unique and not used for anything else. > > I'd distinguish this from spam sent to the mailing list itself, which is > ob

Re: Mailing list address harvested for spamming

2018-12-01 Thread Luke Lane
switch(concern_for) { case others_in_list: return "cool, no idea"; break; case yourself: return "filter from field to dovecot list address"; break; default: return "Wait for the reply of others..."; } On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 12:39 PM wrote: > >

Mailing list address harvested for spamming

2018-12-01 Thread dovecot-e51
Not to stir the pot, but I notice my email address has recently been harvested from this list for spamming purposes. This email address is unique and not used for anything else. I'd distinguish this from spam sent to the mailing list itself, which is obviously different. Is there anything furth