Re: Missing IMAP folders after upgrading from 2.3.17 to 2.3.21.1

2024-10-22 Thread Timo Sirainen via dovecot
restart dovecot and re-login the Imap client. All IMAP folders are > rebuilt but the same folders like before are still missing. ITERINDEX lists the IMAP folders using the directories that exist in INDEX path. If you delete the index directories, it shouldn't be showing you any IMAP

Re: Missing IMAP folders after upgrading from 2.3.17 to 2.3.21.1

2024-10-22 Thread Frank Kirschner via dovecot
esystem, I see the subfolder like other folder with identical owner an permissions. But  when I do doveadm mailbox list -u [user] the IMAP folder is not displayed. So I have deleted all files in /opt/dovecot/[hash]/[user] because I use INDEX=/opt/dovecot/%2.256Nu/%u:ITERINDEX The restart dove

Re: Missing IMAP folders after upgrading from 2.3.17 to 2.3.21.1

2024-10-22 Thread Frank Kirschner via dovecot
nd re-login the Imap client. All IMAP folders are rebuilt but the same folders like before are still missing. Any ideas please? thanks, Frank doveconf -n # 2.3.21.1 (d492236fa0): /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf # Pigeonhole version 0.5.21.1 (49005e73) # OS: Linux 5.15.149-1-pve x86_64 AlmaLinux re

Re: Missing IMAP folders after upgrading from 2.3.17 to 2.3.21.1

2024-10-22 Thread Aki Tuomi via dovecot
[user] the IMAP folder is not > > displayed. > > > > So I have deleted all files in /opt/dovecot/[hash]/[user] because I > > use INDEX=/opt/dovecot/%2.256Nu/%u:ITERINDEX > > The restart dovecot and re-login the Imap client. All IMAP folders are > > rebuilt but the

Re: Missing IMAP folders after upgrading from 2.3.17 to 2.3.21.1

2024-10-22 Thread Frank Kirschner via dovecot
eadm mailbox list -u [user] the IMAP folder is not displayed. So I have deleted all files in /opt/dovecot/[hash]/[user] because I use INDEX=/opt/dovecot/%2.256Nu/%u:ITERINDEX The restart dovecot and re-login the Imap client. All IMAP folders are rebuilt but the same folders like before are still

Missing IMAP folders after upgrading from 2.3.17 to 2.3.21.1

2024-10-21 Thread Frank Kirschner via dovecot
t -u [user] the IMAP folder is not displayed. So I have deleted all files in /opt/dovecot/[hash]/[user] because I use INDEX=/opt/dovecot/%2.256Nu/%u:ITERINDEX The restart dovecot and re-login the Imap client. All IMAP folders are rebuilt but the same folders like before are still missing. Any id

Re: Outlook creating IMAP folders even though forbidden by ACLs

2021-05-12 Thread @lbutlr
On 10 May 2021, at 19:31, Matt Grant wrote: > We are using Outlook 2013, 2016 and 2019, You definitely should not be using Outlook 2013. It has serious issues, and does not support modern TLS v1.2/1.3 I am unsure if Outlook 2016 does, but I know 2013 does not. Also, mainstream support for Outl

Outlook creating IMAP folders even though forbidden by ACLs

2021-05-10 Thread Matt Grant
Hi! Is it well known that Outlook cannot process RFC 2086 or RFC 4134 ACLs? We are using Outlook 2013, 2016 and 2019, and with 2013 can definitely create shared folders with content that are not saved to the server, even though Outlook 'pretends' quite erroneously that they are - black hole for

Re: .imap folders

2020-12-28 Thread Elise
Op 28-12-20 om 12:56 schreef Aki Tuomi: in your mail location, where you have specified `mbox:~/...` We do not recommend using mbox mail format for read-write, as the support for that is limited. Noted, that did the trick, thanks. /Elise

Re: .imap folders

2020-12-28 Thread Aki Tuomi
On 28/12/2020 13.10, Elise wrote: > Op 27-12-20 om 16:16 schreef Aki Tuomi: > >> The .imap directories contain indexes for dovecot. If you want to put >> them elsewhere, try adding :INDEX=/somewhere/else/%u to your mail >> location. > > Thanks for this. Where should I put this line or is that par

Re: .imap folders

2020-12-27 Thread Aki Tuomi
> On 27/12/2020 17:10 Elise wrote: > > > My user account is located at /usr/home/elise and has a subfolder ./mail > In that folder I have some subfolders/subdirectories. What happens now is > that dovecot creates all kind of .imap folders in these subfolders. > They

.imap folders

2020-12-27 Thread Elise
My user account is located at /usr/home/elise and has a subfolder ./mail In that folder I have some subfolders/subdirectories. What happens now is that dovecot creates all kind of .imap folders in these subfolders. They are all exact mirrors of the base folder(s) the .imap is part of. Can you

Re: IMAP folders showing no messages in Office 365 Outlook

2019-08-08 Thread Andrew Bernard via dovecot
Hi Gert, Well thanks to your advice and knowing that there is no specific config to be done for Outlook, I checked the config in Dovecot more carefully. It turns out I was using %u in the mail location instead of %n, which is what is properly needed in my particular overall setup with Postfix and

Re: IMAP folders showing no messages in Office 365 Outlook

2019-08-08 Thread Andrew Bernard via dovecot
Hello Gert, Thanks for this, but I mentioned all works fine in Thunderbird. It's Office 365 Outlook where the messages do not show. And I tried the same technique that you show, the equivalent in Outlook, and still no messages appear. Andrew On 8/8/19 9:34 pm, Gert van Dijk via dovecot wro

Re: IMAP folders showing no messages in Office 365 Outlook

2019-08-08 Thread Gert van Dijk via dovecot
On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 12:58 PM Andrew Bernard via dovecot wrote: > > I'm new to Dovecot. Using Dovecot IMAP with Postfix, everything works > fine using Thunderbird. But with the same setup, no messages show in > IMAP folders for user accounts created in Outlook, accessing e

IMAP folders showing no messages in Office 365 Outlook

2019-08-08 Thread Andrew Bernard via dovecot
I'm new to Dovecot. Using Dovecot IMAP with Postfix, everything works fine using Thunderbird. But with the same setup, no messages show in IMAP folders for user accounts created in Outlook, accessing exactly the same server as the accounts in Thunderbird. Dovecot version 2.3.7.1. Is

Re: outlook idiocy - IMAP folders with /

2018-10-02 Thread Sami Ketola
> On 2 Oct 2018, at 15.28, Jerry wrote: >> > > Nobody is going to stop using Outlook because some *.nix user has gotten his > shorts up in a knot. Now, I did ask this question on a MS Outlook Tech Forum. > One of the first responses I got was to ask exactly what Dovecot's response > was to the

Re: outlook idiocy - IMAP folders with /

2018-10-02 Thread Helmut K. C. Tessarek
On 2018-10-02 16:02, Timo Sirainen wrote: > No, that's not how the listescape plugin works. You can't change the > filesystem separator with or without listescape plugin. It's always "." with > Maildir++. This exactly my point. This fact is nowhere stated in the documentation. I'm actually not

Re: outlook idiocy - IMAP folders with /

2018-10-02 Thread Timo Sirainen
On 2 Oct 2018, at 22.52, Helmut K. C. Tessarek wrote: > > On 2018-10-01 04:07, Timo Sirainen wrote: >> >> https://wiki2.dovecot.org/Plugins/Listescape maybe? > > It should be mentioned somehow that one can't just change the hierarchy > separator on the fly (without manual changes to the fs). >

Re: outlook idiocy - IMAP folders with /

2018-10-02 Thread Helmut K. C. Tessarek
On 2018-10-01 04:07, Timo Sirainen wrote: > > https://wiki2.dovecot.org/Plugins/Listescape maybe? It should be mentioned somehow that one can't just change the hierarchy separator on the fly (without manual changes to the fs). If you used . as the separator, it would look this in the filesystem:

Re: outlook idiocy - IMAP folders with /

2018-10-02 Thread Jerry
>On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 09:59, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> >>> As I have no control over their minds, hands, and client software, I wish >>> I could enforce the policy from the server, returning an error message to >>> the client. >>> >>> On its turn, this requires the client to listen to such serv

Re: outlook idiocy - IMAP folders with /

2018-10-02 Thread Rupert Gallagher
I think we need a public compliance test, similar to html and ssl, then people would start questioning the quality of their own client, and migrate to better ones. When Micro$oft will eventually feel the pinch, then they will start fixing their $hit. People have the power! (I like that song.) O

Re: outlook idiocy - IMAP folders with /

2018-10-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
As I have no control over their minds, hands, and client software, I wish I could enforce the policy from the server, returning an error message to the client.  On its turn, this requires the client to listen to such server messages, operated by a smarter user.  the problem with pseudomail p

Re: outlook idiocy - IMAP folders with /

2018-10-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
this seems to form properly. thank you very much On Mon, 1 Oct 2018, Timo Sirainen wrote: On 28 Sep 2018, at 16.44, Wojciech Puchar wrote: user attempts to create folders with / dovecot naturally cannot create it so it returns error but outlook of course "create" it and keep dat

Re: outlook idiocy - IMAP folders with /

2018-10-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
The question is - can dovecot be configured so it will automatically replace slash in name with something else? And how would this help? Outlook would still go ahead and create the folder with / in it, and dovecot would create a folder with, say - in it and now you'd have two folders. Aki

Re: outlook idiocy - IMAP folders with /

2018-10-01 Thread Rupert Gallagher
I tell users to limit the folder characters to /0-9a-zA-Z_/, because anything else may upset a mail client or server. As I have no control over their minds, hands, and client software, I wish I could enforce the policy from the server, returning an error message to the client. On its turn, thi

Re: outlook idiocy - IMAP folders with /

2018-10-01 Thread Timo Sirainen
On 28 Sep 2018, at 16.44, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > user attempts to create folders with / dovecot naturally cannot create it so > it returns error but outlook of course "create" it and keep data in local > store only. data is lost when you remove local store .pst file. > > The question is -

Re: outlook idiocy - IMAP folders with /

2018-09-29 Thread Rupert Gallagher
Sorry Aki, you are right. On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 09:59, Aki Tuomi wrote: >> On 29 September 2018 at 10:05 Rupert Gallagher wrote: >> >> >> +1 >> >> A similar problem occurs with "." >> >> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile >> >> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 15:44, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> > user atte

Re: outlook idiocy - IMAP folders with /

2018-09-29 Thread Aki Tuomi
> On 29 September 2018 at 10:05 Rupert Gallagher wrote: > > > +1 > > A similar problem occurs with "." > > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 15:44, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > user attempts to create folders with / > > dovecot naturally cannot create it so it return

Re: outlook idiocy - IMAP folders with /

2018-09-29 Thread Rupert Gallagher
+1 A similar problem occurs with "." Sent from ProtonMail Mobile On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 15:44, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > user attempts to create folders with / > dovecot naturally cannot create it so it returns error but outlook of > course "create" it and keep data in local store only. data i

outlook idiocy - IMAP folders with /

2018-09-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
user attempts to create folders with / dovecot naturally cannot create it so it returns error but outlook of course "create" it and keep data in local store only. data is lost when you remove local store .pst file. The question is - can dovecot be configured so it will automatically replace s

Re: extra IMAP folders: how to make all clients use the same Sent folder?

2018-03-07 Thread Steffen Kaiser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 28 Feb 2018, Stanislaw Findeisen wrote: I have just setup IMAP with Maildir, but unfortunately some clients create their own folders instead of using those specified in 15-mailboxes.conf . What could be the reason? Because the clients do s

extra IMAP folders: how to make all clients use the same Sent folder?

2018-02-27 Thread Stanislaw Findeisen
Dear All I have just setup IMAP with Maildir, but unfortunately some clients create their own folders instead of using those specified in 15-mailboxes.conf . What could be the reason? Here's what it looks like: > B list "" * > * LIST (\HasNoChildren \Sent) "." "Sent Messages" > * LIST (\HasNoChi

Re: Dynamic autoexpunge for IMAP folders

2017-01-18 Thread Thorsten Hater
Excellent, that works for me. Actually, I add one more setting to be on the safe side regarding IMAP capitalisation rules (or non-rules). namespace/inbox/mailbox=bla namespace/inbox/mailbox/bla/name=Bla namespace/inbox/mailbox/bla/autoexpunge=6h Thanks a lot. On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 2:01 AM, Tim

Re: Dynamic autoexpunge for IMAP folders

2017-01-17 Thread Timo Sirainen
On 17 Jan 2017, at 13.36, Thorsten Hater wrote: > > So, returning from the LDAP userdb does not change situation. > As I said, I would to set folder names dynamicaly, without setting > up a mailbox in advance. > Here the problem is discussed > > http://www.dovecot.org/list/dovecot/2013-August/09

Re: Dynamic autoexpunge for IMAP folders

2017-01-17 Thread Thorsten Hater
So, returning from the LDAP userdb does not change situation. As I said, I would to set folder names dynamicaly, without setting up a mailbox in advance. Here the problem is discussed http://www.dovecot.org/list/dovecot/2013-August/092023.html but no solution is found apart from defining the name

Re: Dynamic autoexpunge for IMAP folders

2017-01-17 Thread Thomas Leuxner
* Thorsten Hater 2017.01.17 12:04: > userdb { >driver = static >args = namespace/inbox/mailbox/Bla/autoexpunge=6h > } I'm almost sure that 'driver = static' contradicts the concept of userdb overrides: http://wiki.dovecot.org/UserDatabase/ExtraFields If you can't go with 'passwd-fil

Re: Dynamic autoexpunge for IMAP folders

2017-01-17 Thread Thorsten Hater
I know, but it is not present in the string returned by the userdb, which is set up for testing userdb { driver = static args = namespace/inbox/mailbox/Bla/autoexpunge=6h } On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:03 AM, Thomas Leuxner wrote: > * Thorsten Hater 2017.01.17 10:57: > > > Unfortunately,

Re: Dynamic autoexpunge for IMAP folders

2017-01-17 Thread Thomas Leuxner
* Thorsten Hater 2017.01.17 10:57: > Unfortunately, this yields the same problem > > Debug: Unknown userdb > setting: plugin/userdb_namespace/inbox/mailbox/Bla/autoexpunge=6h > > userdb_namespace/inbox/mailbox/Bla/autoexpunge=6h 'plugin' is not part of the userdb override. It is literally as a

Re: Dynamic autoexpunge for IMAP folders

2017-01-17 Thread Thorsten Hater
Unfortunately, this yields the same problem Debug: Unknown userdb setting: plugin/userdb_namespace/inbox/mailbox/Bla/autoexpunge=6h Thorsten On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Thomas Leuxner wrote: > * Thorsten Hater 2017.01.17 09:40: > > > namespace/inbox/mailbox/Bla/autoexpunge=6h > > > > fr

Re: Dynamic autoexpunge for IMAP folders

2017-01-17 Thread Thomas Leuxner
* Thorsten Hater 2017.01.17 09:40: > namespace/inbox/mailbox/Bla/autoexpunge=6h > > from a userdb, which results in > > Debug: Unknown userdb setting: > plugin/namespace/inbox/mailbox/Bla/autoexpunge=6h userdb_namespace/inbox/mailbox/Bla/autoexpunge=6h Regards Thomas signature.asc Descripti

Dynamic autoexpunge for IMAP folders

2017-01-17 Thread Thorsten Hater
Dear all, is there a way to allow users to set up something like autoexpunge on an individual IMAP folder basis? The idea I implemented does not seem to work, namely returning namespace/inbox/mailbox/Bla/autoexpunge=6h from a userdb, which results in Debug: Unknown userdb setting: plugin/names

Re: Backing up and Importing IMAP folders

2016-11-08 Thread Jerry
On Sat, 22 Oct 2016 05:16:07 -0400, Jerry stated: >On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 20:36:35 +0300, Konstantin Khomoutov stated: > >>On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:57:45 +0300 (EEST) >>Aki Tuomi wrote: >> >>[...] >>> > Alternatively you can use `dsync` to perform backup with a native >>> > Dovecot tool. It's able

Re: Backing up and Importing IMAP folders

2016-10-22 Thread Aki Tuomi
> On October 22, 2016 at 12:16 PM Jerry wrote: > > > On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 20:36:35 +0300, Konstantin Khomoutov stated: > > >On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:57:45 +0300 (EEST) > >Aki Tuomi wrote: > > > >[...] > >> > Alternatively you can use `dsync` to perform backup with a native > >> > Dovecot tool.

Re: Backing up and Importing IMAP folders

2016-10-22 Thread Jerry
On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 20:36:35 +0300, Konstantin Khomoutov stated: >On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:57:45 +0300 (EEST) >Aki Tuomi wrote: > >[...] >> > Alternatively you can use `dsync` to perform backup with a native >> > Dovecot tool. It's able to sync mailboxes of any Dovecot user -- >> > including synch

Re: Backing up and Importing IMAP folders

2016-10-20 Thread Konstantin Khomoutov
On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:57:45 +0300 (EEST) Aki Tuomi wrote: [...] > > Alternatively you can use `dsync` to perform backup with a native > > Dovecot tool. It's able to sync mailboxes of any Dovecot user -- > > including synchronizing a mailbox to an empty (yet) spool. > > You'll need to do a bit o

Re: Backing up and Importing IMAP folders

2016-10-20 Thread Konstantin Khomoutov
On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 17:38:31 +0300 (EEST) Aki Tuomi wrote: [...] > > > > Alternatively you can use `dsync` to perform backup with a > > > > native Dovecot tool. It's able to sync mailboxes of any > > > > Dovecot user -- including synchronizing a mailbox to an empty > > > > (yet) spool. You'll ne

Re: Backing up and Importing IMAP folders

2016-10-20 Thread Aki Tuomi
> On October 20, 2016 at 5:11 PM Konstantin Khomoutov > wrote: > > > On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:57:45 +0300 (EEST) > Aki Tuomi wrote: > > [...] > > > Alternatively you can use `dsync` to perform backup with a native > > > Dovecot tool. It's able to sync mailboxes of any Dovecot user -- > > > in

Re: Backing up and Importing IMAP folders

2016-10-20 Thread Konstantin Khomoutov
On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:57:45 +0300 (EEST) Aki Tuomi wrote: [...] > > Alternatively you can use `dsync` to perform backup with a native > > Dovecot tool. It's able to sync mailboxes of any Dovecot user -- > > including synchronizing a mailbox to an empty (yet) spool. > > You'll need to do a bit o

Re: Backing up and Importing IMAP folders

2016-10-20 Thread Aki Tuomi
es all > > mail in IMAP format. I want to back up the mail folders, install a new > > HD, install the latest FreeBSD OS and then reinstall my programs. > > Reinstalling Dovecot is simple, but how do I reinstall the IMAP > > folders? Can Dovecot backup the folders onto a CD

Re: Backing up and Importing IMAP folders

2016-10-20 Thread Konstantin Khomoutov
t FreeBSD OS and then reinstall my programs. > Reinstalling Dovecot is simple, but how do I reinstall the IMAP > folders? Can Dovecot backup the folders onto a CD and then import them > when I reinstall it? My mail is kept under “/var/mail/vmail”. Should I > just back up that entire dire

Backing up and Importing IMAP folders

2016-10-20 Thread Jerry
simple, but how do I reinstall the IMAP folders? Can Dovecot backup the folders onto a CD and then import them when I reinstall it? My mail is kept under “/var/mail/vmail”. Should I just back up that entire directory structure and then restore it later? Thanks! -- Jerry

Re: Messages lost from imap folders

2015-09-19 Thread Nikolaos Milas
Anyone? No suggestions whatsoever? Nick On 16/9/2015 2:52 μμ, Nikolaos Milas wrote: Hello, We have one user who is complaining that he has lost mails from 3 imap folders, administered through squirrelmail. The folders suddenly appeared unregistered, and once manually registered they were

Messages lost from imap folders

2015-09-16 Thread Nikolaos Milas
Hello, We have one user who is complaining that he has lost mails from 3 imap folders, administered through squirrelmail. The folders suddenly appeared unregistered, and once manually registered they were empty. Has anyone observed something like this? We are running two servers (as VMs

Re: Does Dovecot allow different clients to subscribe different subsets of IMAP folders?

2015-06-04 Thread Daniel Tröder
Hi Steve, for some reason I didn't get you message though the mailing list (my ml settings?), but only directly. For the sake of completeness I'm replying here - I hope that's OK. Shared mailboxes are really easy to implement. Just enable the namespace (type = shared) in /etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-ma

Re: Does Dovecot allow different clients to subscribe different subsets of IMAP folders?

2015-06-04 Thread Steve
Hi Daniel, Hmm - I'm happy to use different 'user names' to log into Dovecot... as long as each of these logins can still subscribe to the same universe of folders I have available at present. I can envision using steve_mobile and steve_desktop as logins, as long as these still provide access

Re: Does Dovecot allow different clients to subscribe different subsets of IMAP folders?

2015-06-04 Thread Daniel Tröder
Hi Steve, I don't think the IMAP protocol has the concept of a "user agent". So there is no way for an IMAP server to distinguish between client programs. You could use POP and poll different mailboxes - but your clients probably don't support that. So you'll have to use different users. But tha

Re: Does Dovecot allow different clients to subscribe different subsets of IMAP folders?

2015-06-04 Thread b-dovecot . org
Hi Steve, I don't know if dovecot can use different 'subscriptions' but you can create different accounts and then link (ln -s) the relevant folders in each respective maildir. Cheers, B On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 01:40:57PM +0100, Steve wrote: > I have a working Dovecot IMAP server (v. 2.2.9) wh

Does Dovecot allow different clients to subscribe different subsets of IMAP folders?

2015-06-04 Thread Steve
I have a working Dovecot IMAP server (v. 2.2.9) where I have a single user but a lot of folders (over 800 in total, hierarchically arranged, about 50 of which are in active use.) I have multiple clients (including k9Mail on Android and Thunderbird on Linux and Windows). These clients all prese

Re: Creating IMAP folders/subfolders with Thunderbird

2015-05-29 Thread Alex Regan
Hi, On 05/29/2015 06:17 AM, Alex JOST wrote: Am 26.05.2015 um 03:38 schrieb Alex Regan: Hi, I have dovecot-2.2.15 on fedora21 with Thunderbird and having some difficulty creating subfolders and deleting folders. Creating subfolders results in a folder at the root with a caret instead of a sla

Re: Creating IMAP folders/subfolders with Thunderbird

2015-05-29 Thread Alex JOST
Am 26.05.2015 um 03:38 schrieb Alex Regan: Hi, I have dovecot-2.2.15 on fedora21 with Thunderbird and having some difficulty creating subfolders and deleting folders. Creating subfolders results in a folder at the root with a caret instead of a slash called folder^subfolder with an entry in .su

Creating IMAP folders/subfolders with Thunderbird

2015-05-25 Thread Alex Regan
Hi, I have dovecot-2.2.15 on fedora21 with Thunderbird and having some difficulty creating subfolders and deleting folders. Creating subfolders results in a folder at the root with a caret instead of a slash called folder^subfolder with an entry in .subscriptions with that name, instead of a

sdbox and IMAP folders

2014-12-08 Thread Jeff Larsen
We have just migrated from cyrus-imap to dovecot 2.2.9 on Ubuntu. By default, all our user's manually created folders appear at the same folder level as INBOX (i.e., they are next to INBOX, and not inside INBOX in a typical tree view of the folders). But on Dovecot, users are able to create new fo

Re: Is atomic MOVING of messages between IMAP folders possible?

2014-08-07 Thread Steffen Kaiser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Quoting Greg Sullivan : I was gobsmacked when I discovered that duplicates could easily occur! "move" is not atomic in a filesystem either. Under circumstances it has to be implemented by "cp && rm". Unless you protect the move's source by lock

Re: Is atomic MOVING of messages between IMAP folders possible?

2014-08-06 Thread Michael M Slusarz
Quoting Greg Sullivan : I was gobsmacked when I discovered that duplicates could easily occur! Quote from the IMAP wikipedia page: Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP) is a protocol for e-mail retrieval and storage developed by Mark Crispin in 1986 at Stanford University as an alternative to

Re: Is atomic MOVING of messages between IMAP folders possible?

2014-08-06 Thread Ed W
On 05/08/2014 17:29, Greg Sullivan wrote: That's promising that it should be doable. (yes, all I want is for the move to only occur once - duplicate messages is not a "move" at all) I'll forward your suggestions to the Thunderbird & Postbox teams. In the meantime I'll continue to evaluate helpd

Re: Is atomic MOVING of messages between IMAP folders possible?

2014-08-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.08.2014 um 12:15 schrieb Greg Sullivan: > Jochen, > I don't have any in-depth knowledge of the IMAP protocol. I'm just saying > that given that IMAP is designed for concurrent access from multiple > clients, I would have expected it to behave much better when more than one > person attempts

Re: Re: Is atomic MOVING of messages between IMAP folders possible?

2014-08-06 Thread Greg Sullivan
Jochen, I don't have any in-depth knowledge of the IMAP protocol. I'm just saying that given that IMAP is designed for concurrent access from multiple clients, I would have expected it to behave much better when more than one person attempts to move a message, that's all. I was gobsmacked when I di

Re: Re: Is atomic MOVING of messages between IMAP folders possible?

2014-08-05 Thread Jochen Bern
On -10.01.-28163 20:59, Greg Sullivan wrote: > I must say I am extremely disappointed that intra-account moves are not > atomic. As far as I can tell, IMAP was designed to allow shared access, so > in my opinion this operation should be atomic. Heaven FORBID that I should > ask for entire conversa

Re: Is atomic MOVING of messages between IMAP folders possible?

2014-08-05 Thread Greg Sullivan
That's promising that it should be doable. (yes, all I want is for the move to only occur once - duplicate messages is not a "move" at all) I'll forward your suggestions to the Thunderbird & Postbox teams. In the meantime I'll continue to evaluate helpdesk systems and "collaborative inbox" produc

Re: Is atomic MOVING of messages between IMAP folders possible?

2014-08-05 Thread Timo Sirainen
Note that MOVE isn't atomic even between moving within one user's folders. The MOVE RFC itself also doesn't say anything about it ever having to be atomic. Although if by atomicity you mean that you simply want to make sure that the same source mail can't be MOVEd twice, that would be doable wit

Re: Is atomic MOVING of messages between IMAP folders possible?

2014-08-05 Thread Greg Sullivan
Thanks Timo, and no, I can't (easily) change the code of the client. I must say I am extremely disappointed that intra-account moves are not atomic. As far as I can tell, IMAP was designed to allow shared access, so in my opinion this operation should be atomic. Heaven FORBID that I should ask fo

Re: Is atomic MOVING of messages between IMAP folders possible?

2014-08-04 Thread Timo Sirainen
On 04 Aug 2014, at 14:12, Greg Sullivan wrote: > Yes, both client and server support IMAP MOVE, and both also support > CONDSTORE. > > I have tried both with and without CONDSTORE enabled in the client, with > the same result. With CONDSTORE I was thinking you could do it something like: 1 FET

Re: Is atomic MOVING of messages between IMAP folders possible?

2014-08-04 Thread Greg Sullivan
Yes, both client and server support IMAP MOVE, and both also support CONDSTORE. I have tried both with and without CONDSTORE enabled in the client, with the same result. I am very confident IMAP MOVE is actually being invoked, because intra-account moves occur extremely rapidly. (much faster than

Re: Is atomic MOVING of messages between IMAP folders possible?

2014-08-04 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 04.08.2014 um 14:00 schrieb Timo Sirainen: > On 04 Aug 2014, at 10:44, Greg Sullivan wrote: > >> I would like to use a shared IMAP account, with multiple users accessing it >> simultaneously. The users would take ownership of messages by first >> attempting to MOVE the messages from the Inb

Re: Is atomic MOVING of messages between IMAP folders possible?

2014-08-04 Thread Timo Sirainen
On 04 Aug 2014, at 10:44, Greg Sullivan wrote: > I would like to use a shared IMAP account, with multiple users accessing it > simultaneously. The users would take ownership of messages by first > attempting to MOVE the messages from the Inbox, into their private IMAP > folder, still within the

Is atomic MOVING of messages between IMAP folders possible?

2014-08-04 Thread Greg Sullivan
I would like to use a shared IMAP account, with multiple users accessing it simultaneously. The users would take ownership of messages by first attempting to MOVE the messages from the Inbox, into their private IMAP folder, still within the same account. Now, since there will be multiple users co

Re: [Dovecot] IMAP folders sort order

2013-03-01 Thread Michael M Slusarz
Quoting "Valery V. Sedletski" : But I tried to create a fresh account in Dovecot (not migrated from Courier), and it still shows a intermixed folder order: a list "" * * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" "Spam" * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" "Sent" * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" "Drafts" * LIST (\HasNoChild

Re: [Dovecot] IMAP folders sort order

2013-03-01 Thread José Celestino
On Sex, 2013-03-01 at 13:01 +, Valery V. Sedletski wrote: > > So, it is legal to even list each folder several times? > http://www.dovecot.org/imap-client-coding-howto.html "LIST reply is very loosely defined. It may be very much out of order. It may even contain duplicates."

Re: [Dovecot] IMAP folders sort order

2013-03-01 Thread Valery V. Sedletski
>> >> But I tried to create a fresh account in Dovecot (not migrated from >> Courier), and it >> still shows a intermixed folder order: >> >> a list "" * >> * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" "Spam" >> * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" "Sent" >> * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" "Drafts" >> * LIST (\HasNoChildren)

Re: [Dovecot] IMAP folders sort order

2013-02-28 Thread Michael M Slusarz
Quoting "Valery V. Sedletski" : however what you used at migrate, some from your old clients may not update their folder searchlist to/at new namespace, or have fixed prefix setup etc, i didnt remember exactly but i think you can have both namespace setups somehow for stay compatible with "old

Re: [Dovecot] IMAP folders sort order

2013-02-28 Thread Valery V. Sedletski
> >however what you used at migrate, some from your old clients may not >update their folder searchlist to/at new namespace, or have fixed prefix >setup etc, i didnt remember exactly but i think you can have both >namespace setups somehow for stay compatible with "old clients" >try search list and

Re: [Dovecot] IMAP folders sort order

2013-02-28 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 28.02.2013 15:57, schrieb Valery V. Sedletski: >>> >>> Is there a way to influence the folder sort order in Dovecot? >>> >>> WBR, >>> valery >>> >>> >> >> comming from courier it may be a namespace problem >> >> http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Migration/Courier >> >> Dovecot configuration >> >> Courier

Re: [Dovecot] IMAP folders sort order

2013-02-28 Thread Valery V. Sedletski
>> >> Is there a way to influence the folder sort order in Dovecot? >> >> WBR, >> valery >> >> > >comming from courier it may be a namespace problem > >http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Migration/Courier > >Dovecot configuration > >Courier by default uses "INBOX." as the IMAP namespace for private >mailboxe

Re: [Dovecot] IMAP folders sort order

2013-02-28 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 28.02.2013 14:54, schrieb Valery V. Sedletski: > Hi all > > We migrated our IMAP server from Courier to Dovecot. The minor problem > appeared: Dovecot LIST command > now shows mailbox listing in some weird order. (I suppose, it is filesystem > directory order) Previously, with Courier, > it was

[Dovecot] IMAP folders sort order

2013-02-28 Thread Valery V. Sedletski
Hi all We migrated our IMAP server from Courier to Dovecot. The minor problem appeared: Dovecot LIST command now shows mailbox listing in some weird order. (I suppose, it is filesystem directory order) Previously, with Courier, it was sorted, i.e., the INBOX was the first, followed by other system

Re: [Dovecot] saving to imap folders and namespace settings

2013-02-06 Thread Timo Sirainen
On 5.2.2013, at 16.10, Gustavo Sansone wrote: >>> i'm very confused with the namespace settings. i don't understand what >>> is the correct way to configure it. >>> don't need public or shared folders. >> >> Easiest to use the default namespace settings. There you wouldn't have >> any namespace

Re: [Dovecot] saving to imap folders and namespace settings

2013-02-06 Thread Gustavo Sansone
El 2013-02-05 12:10, Gustavo Sansone escribió: El 2013-02-05 0:09, Timo Sirainen escribió: On Tue, 2013-01-29 at 16:29 -0200, Gustavo Sansone wrote: hello everyone, i'm new to this list im running dovecot as imap+pop (2.1.12) and roundcube (0.8.4) as client. having problems on saving to

Re: [Dovecot] saving to imap folders and namespace settings

2013-02-04 Thread Timo Sirainen
On Tue, 2013-01-29 at 16:29 -0200, Gustavo Sansone wrote: > hello everyone, i'm new to this list > im running dovecot as imap+pop (2.1.12) and roundcube (0.8.4) as > client. > > having problems on saving to imap folders, with errors on some accounts > > my fol

[Dovecot] saving to imap folders and namespace settings

2013-01-29 Thread Gustavo Sansone
hello everyone, i'm new to this list im running dovecot as imap+pop (2.1.12) and roundcube (0.8.4) as client. having problems on saving to imap folders, with errors on some accounts my folder structure is as follow: /home/user/.maildir /home/user/.maildir/.Drafts /home/user/.maildir/

Re: [Dovecot] iPhone and custom imap folders problem

2012-02-27 Thread Jacek Osiecki
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012, Miha Vrhovnik wrote: "Adam Szpakowski" wrote on 24.2.2012 17:46:02: On 24.02.2012 15:47, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2012-02-24 9:22 AM, Przemysław.Orzechowski wrote: Im using Dovecot 1.0.10 Very old - an upgrade would likeley fix your problems... A client of mine using

Re: [Dovecot] iPhone and custom imap folders problem

2012-02-24 Thread Miha Vrhovnik
"Adam Szpakowski" wrote on 24.2.2012 17:46:02: >On 24.02.2012 15:47, Charles Marcus wrote: >> On 2012-02-24 9:22 AM, Przemysław.Orzechowski >> wrote: >>> Im using Dovecot 1.0.10 >> Very old - an upgrade would likeley fix your problems... >A client of mine using iPhone1 has the same problem on D

Re: [Dovecot] iPhone and custom imap folders problem

2012-02-24 Thread Adam Szpakowski
On 24.02.2012 15:47, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2012-02-24 9:22 AM, Przemysław.Orzechowski wrote: Im using Dovecot 1.0.10 Very old - an upgrade would likeley fix your problems... A client of mine using iPhone1 has the same problem on Dovecot 2.0.15. Only inbox is synced automatically. -- Adam

Re: [Dovecot] iPhone and custom imap folders problem

2012-02-24 Thread Gregory Finch
On 2012-02-24 6:22 AM, Przemysław.Orzechowski wrote: > Hi > > Im using Dovecot 1.0.10 and everything seems work ok except one client > He is accessing his mailbox using iPhone > There are several custom folders created and mail is directed to them > using procmail > The problem is iPhone mail app

Re: [Dovecot] iPhone and custom imap folders problem

2012-02-24 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2012-02-24 9:22 AM, Przemysław.Orzechowski wrote: Im using Dovecot 1.0.10 Very old - an upgrade would likeley fix your problems... -- Best regards, Charles Marcus I.T. Director Media Brokers International, Inc. 678.514.6200 x224 | 678.514.6299 fax

[Dovecot] iPhone and custom imap folders problem

2012-02-24 Thread Przemysław.Orzechowski
Hi Im using Dovecot 1.0.10 and everything seems work ok except one client He is accessing his mailbox using iPhone There are several custom folders created and mail is directed to them using procmail The problem is iPhone mail app only sees changes in INBOX and when new mail arrives to other fo

Re: [Dovecot] How to serve a subset of IMAP folders for hand held devices.

2011-12-29 Thread Knute Johnson
On 12/29/2011 2:02 PM, David Pottage wrote: On 28/12/11 22:21, Rick Romero wrote: Quoting David Pottage: Firstly I wanted to retain the option to switch to the full version of my mail folders if I needed to access something urgently. My smart-phone based email client allows me to change the po

Re: [Dovecot] How to serve a subset of IMAP folders for hand held devices.

2011-12-29 Thread Knute Johnson
On 12/29/2011 2:02 PM, David Pottage wrote: On 28/12/11 22:21, Rick Romero wrote: Quoting David Pottage: Firstly I wanted to retain the option to switch to the full version of my mail folders if I needed to access something urgently. My smart-phone based email client allows me to change the po

Re: [Dovecot] How to serve a subset of IMAP folders for hand held devices.

2011-12-29 Thread David Pottage
On 28/12/11 22:21, Rick Romero wrote: > > Quoting David Pottage : >> Firstly I wanted to retain the option to switch to the full version of >> my mail folders if I needed to access something urgently. My smart-phone >> based email client allows me to change the port number of an existing >> email a

Re: [Dovecot] How to serve a subset of IMAP folders for hand held devices.

2011-12-29 Thread David Pottage
On 28/12/11 22:12, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > It's a smart phone. Have you considering simply running a webmail server? I considered it for about 10 seconds. Webmail is much less efficent than IMAP both for the server and the client. I run SquirrelMail on (on Apache) my server, and it consumes far mo

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