Re: [Dovecot] POP3 vs. IMAP Load/Memory usage in Dovecot 1.0.15

2011-07-21 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/20/2011 1:27 PM, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: > On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 07:03 +0100, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: >> On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 00:21 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >>> Are these virtual machines? You didn't state so previously. Running >>> 2.6.18 as a VM guest on these machine

Re: [Dovecot] POP3 vs. IMAP Load/Memory usage in Dovecot 1.0.15

2011-07-20 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 07:03 +0100, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: > On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 00:21 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > > Are these virtual machines? You didn't state so previously. Running > > 2.6.18 as a VM guest on these machines may also be part of the incorrect > > load reporting pro

Re: [Dovecot] POP3 vs. IMAP Load/Memory usage in Dovecot 1.0.15

2011-07-15 Thread Noel Butler
On Sat, 2011-07-16 at 00:40 +0200, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: > On 11-07-11 5:03 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > > On Linux, load average strictly shows total system CPU usage in > > intervals, nothing else. > > That would be FreeBSD, AFAIK. On linux, I/O does add to the load You're right Miq

Re: [Dovecot] POP3 vs. IMAP Load/Memory usage in Dovecot 1.0.15

2011-07-15 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
On 11-07-11 5:03 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Given that you're running Dovecot 1.0.15 I'm guessing you're using CentOS or RHEL 5.x and thus have kernel 2.6.18-xxx. 2.6.18 is 5 years old now and not inappropriate for a modern 2 socket, 6 core HyperThreading box. You need a much newer kernel, prefer

Re: [Dovecot] POP3 vs. IMAP Load/Memory usage in Dovecot 1.0.15

2011-07-12 Thread David Ledger
At 01:59 -0500 12/7/11, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 7/12/2011 1:12 AM, Rainer Frey wrote: On 11.07.2011, at 17:03, Stan Hoeppner wrote: The R410 is a two socket Xeon box with max 2 x 6 core CPUs. The 24 CPUs you see is the result of HyperThreading being enabled. I'd disable HT if I were you

Re: [Dovecot] POP3 vs. IMAP Load/Memory usage in Dovecot 1.0.15

2011-07-12 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/12/2011 1:12 AM, Rainer Frey wrote: > > On 11.07.2011, at 17:03, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > >> The R410 is a two socket Xeon box with max 2 x 6 core CPUs. The 24 CPUs >> you see is the result of HyperThreading being enabled. I'd disable HT >> if I were you, or those boxen mine. > > Why? It's

Re: [Dovecot] POP3 vs. IMAP Load/Memory usage in Dovecot 1.0.15

2011-07-11 Thread Rainer Frey
On 11.07.2011, at 17:03, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > The R410 is a two socket Xeon box with max 2 x 6 core CPUs. The 24 CPUs > you see is the result of HyperThreading being enabled. I'd disable HT > if I were you, or those boxen mine. Why? Rainer

Re: [Dovecot] POP3 vs. IMAP Load/Memory usage in Dovecot 1.0.15

2011-07-11 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 00:21 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Are these virtual machines? You didn't state so previously. Running > 2.6.18 as a VM guest on these machines may also be part of the incorrect > load reporting problem. If so, run the data collector daemon inside the > hypervisor itself s

Re: [Dovecot] POP3 vs. IMAP Load/Memory usage in Dovecot 1.0.15

2011-07-11 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/11/2011 2:57 PM, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: > On Mon, 2011-07-11 at 13:47 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> On 7/11/2011 11:22 AM, li...@truthisfreedom.org.uk wrote: >> >>> They're showing as between 20 and 24 for the POP3 servers and 1.4 for >>> the IMAP servers. >> >> FULL STOP. Oh my lo

Re: [Dovecot] POP3 vs. IMAP Load/Memory usage in Dovecot 1.0.15

2011-07-11 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:57:36 +0100, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: LOL. I'm not a fan of Centos but it's what we've got to play with here - We'll be running Debian (or possibly even Gentoo if I have my way...) on the next load of servers and custom kernels aren't an issue. /me misses stage

Re: [Dovecot] POP3 vs. IMAP Load/Memory usage in Dovecot 1.0.15

2011-07-11 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 07/11/11 15:57, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: > > LOL. I'm not a fan of Centos but it's what we've got to play with here - > We'll be running Debian (or possibly even Gentoo if I have my way...) on > the next load of servers and custom kernels aren't an issue. Just don't tell anyone: htt

Re: [Dovecot] POP3 vs. IMAP Load/Memory usage in Dovecot 1.0.15

2011-07-11 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Mon, 2011-07-11 at 13:47 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > On 7/11/2011 11:22 AM, li...@truthisfreedom.org.uk wrote: > > > They're showing as between 20 and 24 for the POP3 servers and 1.4 for > > the IMAP servers. > > FULL STOP. Oh my lordy. Something is ridiculously wrong here. You > have 12

Re: [Dovecot] POP3 vs. IMAP Load/Memory usage in Dovecot 1.0.15

2011-07-11 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/11/2011 11:22 AM, li...@truthisfreedom.org.uk wrote: > They're showing as between 20 and 24 for the POP3 servers and 1.4 for > the IMAP servers. FULL STOP. Oh my lordy. Something is ridiculously wrong here. You have 12 physical cores with only ~600 simultaneous pop connections. That's onl

Re: [Dovecot] POP3 vs. IMAP Load/Memory usage in Dovecot 1.0.15

2011-07-11 Thread lists
* All the servers are made by the same manufacturer (Dell) * They are all the same model (R410) * The have the same engine (24 cores, 24G RAM, SAS Drives) The R410 is a two socket Xeon box with max 2 x 6 core CPUs. The 24 CPUs you see is the result of HyperThreading being enabled. I'd disable

Re: [Dovecot] POP3 vs. IMAP Load/Memory usage in Dovecot 1.0.15

2011-07-11 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/11/2011 8:20 AM, li...@truthisfreedom.org.uk wrote: > Hi Stan, > > Quoting Stan Hoeppner : > >> On 7/11/2011 4:28 AM, li...@truthisfreedom.org.uk wrote: >>> Quoting Stan Hoeppner : >> This still doesn't provide us with the necessary information to give you >> an intelligent answer to your qu

Re: [Dovecot] POP3 vs. IMAP Load/Memory usage in Dovecot 1.0.15

2011-07-11 Thread lists
Hi Stan, Quoting Stan Hoeppner : On 7/11/2011 4:28 AM, li...@truthisfreedom.org.uk wrote: Quoting Stan Hoeppner : This still doesn't provide us with the necessary information to give you an intelligent answer to your question. Sorry, I thought I'd given quite a large amount of detail so far

Re: [Dovecot] POP3 vs. IMAP Load/Memory usage in Dovecot 1.0.15

2011-07-11 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/11/2011 4:28 AM, li...@truthisfreedom.org.uk wrote: > Quoting Stan Hoeppner : > >> On 7/11/2011 1:24 AM, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: >>> On Fri, 2011-07-08 at 10:48 +0100, li...@truthisfreedom.org.uk wrote: We have noticed that the IMAP servers appear to be under much less load

Re: [Dovecot] POP3 vs. IMAP Load/Memory usage in Dovecot 1.0.15

2011-07-11 Thread lists
Quoting Stan Hoeppner : On 7/11/2011 1:24 AM, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: On Fri, 2011-07-08 at 10:48 +0100, li...@truthisfreedom.org.uk wrote: We have noticed that the IMAP servers appear to be under much less load and utilising drastically less RAM than the POP3 servers and I'm wonderin

Re: [Dovecot] POP3 vs. IMAP Load/Memory usage in Dovecot 1.0.15

2011-07-11 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/11/2011 1:24 AM, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: > On Fri, 2011-07-08 at 10:48 +0100, li...@truthisfreedom.org.uk wrote: >> We have noticed that the IMAP servers appear to be under much less >> load and utilising drastically less RAM than the POP3 servers and I'm >> wondering if there is

Re: [Dovecot] POP3 vs. IMAP Load/Memory usage in Dovecot 1.0.15

2011-07-10 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Fri, 2011-07-08 at 10:48 +0100, li...@truthisfreedom.org.uk wrote: > We have noticed that the IMAP servers appear to be under much less > load and utilising drastically less RAM than the POP3 servers and I'm > wondering if there is a reason for this as we have seen some swapping > onto dis

[Dovecot] POP3 vs. IMAP Load/Memory usage in Dovecot 1.0.15

2011-07-08 Thread lists
Hi all, We've just provisioned a new cluster of dovecot nodes running Centos and Dovecot 1.0.15 (we needed to match the original configuration, we're upgrading to 1.2 next week!). The nodes are currently equally allocated (50/50 split) to IMAP and POP3, with the intention to move them int