Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-10-01 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* Timo Sirainen : > On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 16:51 +0200, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: > > XLIST seems to be pretty proprietary. Have you had a look at LIST-EXTENDED > > instead? > > See http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/morg/current/msg00208.html > thread, especially > http://www.ietf.org/mail-arc

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-10-01 Thread Timo Sirainen
On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 16:51 +0200, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: > XLIST seems to be pretty proprietary. Have you had a look at LIST-EXTENDED > instead? See http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/morg/current/msg00208.html thread, especially http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/morg/current/msg00212.h

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-10-01 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
Timo, * Rob Middleton : > On 25/09/2009 11:14 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: >> It seems that there is no standard for folder names that deal with typical >> message classes such as drafts, outbox, sent, spam etc. At least there's no >> common sense on a naming convention that tells how client sho

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Robert Schetterer
Patrick Ben Koetter schrieb: > * Robert Schetterer : but with autocreate and global sieve rules you can implement a pseudo standart i use tbs one and configure horde/imp like tb does it, in my meaning big players have no intension bring up even a pseudo standart cause they

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Ed W
Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: It seems that there is no standard for folder names that deal with typical message classes such as drafts, outbox, sent, spam etc. At least there's no common sense on a naming convention that tells how client should handle this. Worse than this, most IMAP clients auto-

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* Robert Schetterer : > >> but with autocreate and global sieve rules you can implement a pseudo > >> standart > >> i use tbs one and configure horde/imp like tb does it, in my meaning > >> big players have no intension bring up even a pseudo standart > >> cause they want users to use their own mai

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Axel Thimm
Hi, On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:33:21PM +0200, Robert Schetterer wrote: > Axel Thimm schrieb: > > Given than you seem to bless Apple Mail folder structures it makes it > > a good candidate to try to push as a standard for others to > > copy. Maybe there could be example setups/configs shipped with

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* Ed W : > Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: >> It seems that there is no standard for folder names that deal with typical >> message classes such as drafts, outbox, sent, spam etc. At least there's no >> common sense on a naming convention that tells how client should handle this. >> >> Worse than this,

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* Rob Middleton : > On 25/09/2009 11:14 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: > >It seems that there is no standard for folder names that deal with typical > >message classes such as drafts, outbox, sent, spam etc. At least there's no > >common sense on a naming convention that tells how client should han

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Robert Schetterer
Axel Thimm schrieb: > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 07:55:41PM +0300, Timo Sirainen wrote: >> On Sep 25, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Eric Shubert wrote: >> >>> Timo Sirainen wrote: On Sep 25, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: > Has anyone seen an approach or a solution that solves the problem

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Rob Middleton
On 26/09/2009 6:40 PM, Axel Thimm wrote: On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 07:55:41PM +0300, Timo Sirainen wrote: On Sep 25, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Eric Shubert wrote: Timo Sirainen wrote: On Sep 25, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: Has anyone seen an approach or a so

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Axel Thimm
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 11:40:21AM +0300, Axel Thimm wrote: > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 07:55:41PM +0300, Timo Sirainen wrote: > > On Sep 25, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Eric Shubert wrote: > > > >> Timo Sirainen wrote: > >>> On Sep 25, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: > Has anyone seen an app

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Axel Thimm
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 07:55:41PM +0300, Timo Sirainen wrote: > On Sep 25, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Eric Shubert wrote: > >> Timo Sirainen wrote: >>> On Sep 25, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: Has anyone seen an approach or a solution that solves the problem from a users poi

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Robert Schetterer
Rob Middleton schrieb: > On 25/09/2009 11:14 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: >> It seems that there is no standard for folder names that deal with >> typical >> message classes such as drafts, outbox, sent, spam etc. At least >> there's no >> common sense on a naming convention that tells how client

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Robert Schetterer
Patrick Ben Koetter schrieb: > * Robert Schetterer : >> Patrick Ben Koetter schrieb: >>> It seems that there is no standard for folder names that deal with typical >>> message classes such as drafts, outbox, sent, spam etc. At least there's no >>> common sense on a naming convention that tells how

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Rob Middleton
On 25/09/2009 11:14 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: It seems that there is no standard for folder names that deal with typical message classes such as drafts, outbox, sent, spam etc. At least there's no common sense on a naming convention that tells how client should handle this. XLIST may de

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-26 Thread Robert Schetterer
Patrick Ben Koetter schrieb: > * Charles Marcus : >> On 9/25/2009, Stefan Förster (cite+dovecot-us...@incertum.net) wrote: Has anyone seen an approach or a solution that solves the problem from a users point of view? A server side alias list that maps to a server standard? >>> Tried

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-25 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* Stefan Förster : > * Patrick Ben Koetter : > > * Timo Sirainen : > >> No. And one of the first commands they typically do is LIST. So > >> there are no good ways to solve this. > > > > I suspected that. > > > > Would it be possible to identify a client by the folders it tries to > > subscribe

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-25 Thread Stefan Förster
* Patrick Ben Koetter : > * Timo Sirainen : >> No. And one of the first commands they typically do is LIST. So >> there are no good ways to solve this. > > I suspected that. > > Would it be possible to identify a client by the folders it tries to subscribe > to? You could, of course, have a list

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-25 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* Robert Schetterer : > Patrick Ben Koetter schrieb: > > It seems that there is no standard for folder names that deal with typical > > message classes such as drafts, outbox, sent, spam etc. At least there's no > > common sense on a naming convention that tells how client should handle > > this.

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-25 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* Timo Sirainen : > On Sep 25, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Eric Shubert wrote: > > >Timo Sirainen wrote: > >>On Sep 25, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: > >>>Has anyone seen an approach or a solution that solves the > >>>problem from a users > >>>point of view? A server side alias list that maps

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-25 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* Charles Marcus : > On 9/25/2009, Stefan Förster (cite+dovecot-us...@incertum.net) wrote: > >> Has anyone seen an approach or a solution that solves the problem from a > >> users > >> point of view? A server side alias list that maps to a server standard? > > > Tried that, didn't work out that g

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-25 Thread Robert Schetterer
Patrick Ben Koetter schrieb: > It seems that there is no standard for folder names that deal with typical > message classes such as drafts, outbox, sent, spam etc. At least there's no > common sense on a naming convention that tells how client should handle this. > > Worse than this, most IMAP cli

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-25 Thread Timo Sirainen
On Sep 25, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Eric Shubert wrote: Timo Sirainen wrote: On Sep 25, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: Has anyone seen an approach or a solution that solves the problem from a users point of view? A server side alias list that maps to a server standard? Symlinks maybe

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-25 Thread Eric Shubert
Timo Sirainen wrote: On Sep 25, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: Has anyone seen an approach or a solution that solves the problem from a users point of view? A server side alias list that maps to a server standard? Symlinks maybe? Or something similar done internally. The main p

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-25 Thread Timo Sirainen
On Sep 25, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: Has anyone seen an approach or a solution that solves the problem from a users point of view? A server side alias list that maps to a server standard? Symlinks maybe? Or something similar done internally. The main problem would anywa

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-25 Thread Charles Marcus
On 9/25/2009, Stefan Förster (cite+dovecot-us...@incertum.net) wrote: >> Has anyone seen an approach or a solution that solves the problem from a >> users >> point of view? A server side alias list that maps to a server standard? > Tried that, didn't work out that great (users got confused by 12

Re: [Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-25 Thread Stefan Förster
* Patrick Ben Koetter : > Has anyone seen an approach or a solution that solves the problem from a users > point of view? A server side alias list that maps to a server standard? Tried that, didn't work out that great (users got confused by 12 dozillion "sent" folders). As for know, I auto-subscr

[Dovecot] OT: IMAP folder aliases

2009-09-25 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
It seems that there is no standard for folder names that deal with typical message classes such as drafts, outbox, sent, spam etc. At least there's no common sense on a naming convention that tells how client should handle this. Worse than this, most IMAP clients auto-create folders according to t