Re: pop 110/995, imap 143/993 ?

2017-08-21 Thread Aki Tuomi
On 22.08.2017 03:56, Peter wrote: >>> Lest anyone think STARTTLS MITM doesn't happen, >>> >>> https://threatpost.com/eff-calls-out-isps-modifying-starttls-encryption-commands/109325/3/ > Right, the attack does happen, but it can be prevented by properly > configuring the server and client. Doveco

Re: store into mailbox 'Junk' aborted

2017-08-21 Thread Christian Kivalo
Am 22. August 2017 02:29:30 MESZ schrieb kenneth topp : >Hi, > >I've just switch from procmail to pigeonhole, and I'm seeing an issue >(twice in six hours). > >I have spamassisn running via postfix milter, and dropping off via >main.cf >"mailbox_transport = lmtp:unix:/var/lib/imap/socket/lmtp" >

Re: pop 110/995, imap 143/993 ?

2017-08-21 Thread Peter
>> Lest anyone think STARTTLS MITM doesn't happen, >> >> https://threatpost.com/eff-calls-out-isps-modifying-starttls-encryption-commands/109325/3/ Right, the attack does happen, but it can be prevented by properly configuring the server and client. >> Not only for security, I prefer port 993/99

Re: pop 110/995, imap 143/993 ?

2017-08-21 Thread Joseph Tam
Gary writes: If I read this correctly, starttls will fail due to the MITM attack. That is the client knows security has been compromised. I'm not sure what you man by "fail". STARTTLS is prone to MITM attacks if a client has not been configured to refuse non-STARTTLS/SSL sessions. For client

store into mailbox 'Junk' aborted

2017-08-21 Thread kenneth topp
Hi, I've just switch from procmail to pigeonhole, and I'm seeing an issue (twice in six hours). I have spamassisn running via postfix milter, and dropping off via main.cf "mailbox_transport = lmtp:unix:/var/lib/imap/socket/lmtp" The issue is that I get a sequence of these log messages: Aug 21

Re: pop 110/995, imap 143/993 ?

2017-08-21 Thread Gary
If I read this correctly, starttls will fail due to the MITM attack. That is the client knows security has been compromised. Using SSL/TLS, the MITM can use SSL stripping. Since most Postifx conf use "may" for security, the message would go though unencrypted. Correct??? Is there something to e

Re: Domain without certificate

2017-08-21 Thread Andreas Meyer
Hello! It's a client thing. The client should not request StartSSL when there is no certificate present. Sorry for the noise! Andreas Andreas Meyer schrieb am 22.08.17 um 00:16:54 Uhr: > Hello! > > I have a new domain integrated into dovecot but no certificate yet. > > In dovecot.conf the

Domain without certificate

2017-08-21 Thread Andreas Meyer
Hello! I have a new domain integrated into dovecot but no certificate yet. In dovecot.conf there is ssl = yes and the other domains have certificates configured. How do I exclude this new domain from using SSL? Greetings Andreas pgpX5krx2vxKu.pgp Description: Digitale Signatur von OpenPGP

Re: pop 110/995, imap 143/993 ?

2017-08-21 Thread Sebastian Arcus
On 21/08/17 22:18, Joseph Tam wrote: Lest anyone think STARTTLS MITM doesn't happen, https://threatpost.com/eff-calls-out-isps-modifying-starttls-encryption-commands/109325/3/ Not only for security, I prefer port 993/995 as it's just plain simpler to initiate SSL from the get-go rather t

Re: pop 110/995, imap 143/993 ?

2017-08-21 Thread Joseph Tam
Lest anyone think STARTTLS MITM doesn't happen, https://threatpost.com/eff-calls-out-isps-modifying-starttls-encryption-commands/109325/3/ Not only for security, I prefer port 993/995 as it's just plain simpler to initiate SSL from the get-go rather than to do some handshaking that get

Re: pop 110/995, imap 143/993 ?

2017-08-21 Thread Gedalya
Bottom line, a server operator's view can be a lot narrower than this, especially in the scenario where you serve the general public and do not control the clients. There is definitely no reason why you wouldn't want to serve ports 993/995. The MITM thing can be used to argue against serving por

Re: pop 110/995, imap 143/993 ?

2017-08-21 Thread Sebastian Arcus
On 21/08/17 16:25, Robert Wolf wrote: On Mon, 21 Aug 2017, Sebastian Arcus wrote: On 21/08/17 13:39, Robert Wolf wrote: On Mon, 21 Aug 2017, Sebastian Arcus wrote: On 21/08/17 10:37, Gedalya wrote: On 08/21/2017 07:28 AM, voy...@sbt.net.au wrote: is there a 'preferred way'? should I tel

Re: pop 110/995, imap 143/993 ?

2017-08-21 Thread Robert Wolf
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017, Sebastian Arcus wrote: > On 21/08/17 13:39, Robert Wolf wrote: > > > > On Mon, 21 Aug 2017, Sebastian Arcus wrote: > > > > > > > > On 21/08/17 10:37, Gedalya wrote: > > > > On 08/21/2017 07:28 AM, voy...@sbt.net.au wrote: > > > > > is there a 'preferred way'? should I tell

Re: pop 110/995, imap 143/993 ?

2017-08-21 Thread Sebastian Arcus
On 21/08/17 13:39, Robert Wolf wrote: On Mon, 21 Aug 2017, Sebastian Arcus wrote: On 21/08/17 10:37, Gedalya wrote: On 08/21/2017 07:28 AM, voy...@sbt.net.au wrote: is there a 'preferred way'? should I tell users to use 143 over 993 ? or 993 over 143? or? There is no concrete answer. Ther

Re: pop 110/995, imap 143/993 ?

2017-08-21 Thread Robert Wolf
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017, Sebastian Arcus wrote: > > On 21/08/17 10:37, Gedalya wrote: > > On 08/21/2017 07:28 AM, voy...@sbt.net.au wrote: > > > is there a 'preferred way'? should I tell users to use 143 over 993 ? or > > > 993 over 143? or? > > There is no concrete answer. There are various opinio

Re: pop 110/995, imap 143/993 ?

2017-08-21 Thread Jerry
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 11:04:40 +0100, Sebastian Arcus stated: >On 21/08/17 10:37, Gedalya wrote: >> On 08/21/2017 07:28 AM, voy...@sbt.net.au wrote: >>> is there a 'preferred way'? should I tell users to use 143 over 993 ? or >>> 993 over 143? or? >> There is no concrete answer. There are vario

Re: pop 110/995, imap 143/993 ?

2017-08-21 Thread Gedalya
On 08/21/2017 06:04 PM, Sebastian Arcus wrote: > > On 21/08/17 10:37, Gedalya wrote: >> On 08/21/2017 07:28 AM, voy...@sbt.net.au wrote: >>> is there a 'preferred way'? should I tell users to use 143 over 993 ? or >>> 993 over 143? or? >> There is no concrete answer. There are various opinions and

Re: pop 110/995, imap 143/993 ?

2017-08-21 Thread Sebastian Arcus
On 21/08/17 10:37, Gedalya wrote: On 08/21/2017 07:28 AM, voy...@sbt.net.au wrote: is there a 'preferred way'? should I tell users to use 143 over 993 ? or 993 over 143? or? There is no concrete answer. There are various opinions and feelings about this. The opinion againt 993/995 is that the

Re: pop 110/995, imap 143/993 ?

2017-08-21 Thread Gedalya
On 08/21/2017 07:28 AM, voy...@sbt.net.au wrote: > is there a 'preferred way'? should I tell users to use 143 over 993 ? or > 993 over 143? or? There is no concrete answer. There are various opinions and feelings about this. The opinion againt 993/995 is that these are not standard ports, and ther

Re: pop 110/995, imap 143/993 ?

2017-08-21 Thread Sebastian Arcus
On 21/08/17 00:28, voy...@sbt.net.au wrote: just setting a new Dovecot server to migrate from older system, but, I have a general question: 1. I've set the server with self issued cert, and both pop/imap StartTLS/110/143 SSL/993/995 (apologies if I'm using wrong naming terminology) is there a