Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Tamsy
Richard wrote the following on 04.06.2012 05:20: Date: Sunday, June 03, 2012 02:54:32 PM -0400 From: Jerry On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:19:20 +0200 Reindl Harald articulated: people are mostly to stupid to realize what they are trying to accomplish and why it it a bad idea this is why we professi

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Richard
> Date: Sunday, June 03, 2012 02:54:32 PM -0400 > From: Jerry > >> On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:19:20 +0200 >> Reindl Harald articulated: >> >> people are mostly to stupid to realize what they >> are trying to accomplish and why it it a bad idea >> >> this is why we professionals exist and if peopl

Re: [Dovecot] Exposing global (default) sieve script through Managesieve

2012-06-03 Thread Stephan Bosch
On 6/3/2012 10:57 PM, Matthijs Kooijman wrote: The copy-on-write scheme I describe above may solve this, as it remembers (somehow) the status of the account: either an untouched/unconfigured account or an account with no active scripts. This behavior could be combined with the solution you descr

Re: [Dovecot] Exposing global (default) sieve script through Managesieve

2012-06-03 Thread Matthijs Kooijman
Hi Stephan, > You asked this one on IRC a while back right? Yup, that was me. > The copy-on-write scheme I describe above may solve this, as it > remembers (somehow) the status of the account: either an > untouched/unconfigured account or an account with no active scripts. > This behavior c

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 03.06.2012 19:26, schrieb Reindl Harald: > > > Am 03.06.2012 19:21, schrieb Michael Orlitzky: >> On 06/03/12 12:06, Robert Schetterer wrote: >>> Am 03.06.2012 16:24, schrieb Michael Orlitzky: I for one think the plugin is a good idea. >>> >>> what the hell , should the plugin do and

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.06.2012 20:54, schrieb Jerry: > On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:19:20 +0200 > Reindl Harald articulated: > >> people are mostly to stupid to realize what they >> are trying to accomplish and why it it a bad idea >> >> this is why we professionals exist and if people >> refuse what you are explainin

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:19:20 +0200 Reindl Harald articulated: >people are mostly to stupid to realize what they >are trying to accomplish and why it it a bad idea > >this is why we professionals exist and if people >refuse what you are explaining them kiss them >goodbye - irt will be better for yo

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.06.2012 20:11, schrieb Michael Orlitzky: > On 06/03/12 13:26, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> and now tell us how you "connect" YOUR sent message over SMTP >> to any seen fleeg of another user? >> > Dovecot could write directly to their mailbox. Otherwise, it could do > whatever the sieve vacation

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 06/03/12 13:26, Reindl Harald wrote: > > and now tell us how you "connect" YOUR sent message over SMTP > to any seen fleeg of another user? > Dovecot could write directly to their mailbox. Otherwise, it could do whatever the sieve vacation plugin does. >> The worst possible thing that can h

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.06.2012 19:21, schrieb Michael Orlitzky: > On 06/03/12 12:06, Robert Schetterer wrote: >> Am 03.06.2012 16:24, schrieb Michael Orlitzky: >>> >>> I for one think the plugin is a good idea. >> >> what the hell , should the plugin do and how ? >> there is smtp dsn, nothing more makes sense >>

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 06/03/12 12:06, Robert Schetterer wrote: > Am 03.06.2012 16:24, schrieb Michael Orlitzky: >> >> I for one think the plugin is a good idea. > > what the hell , should the plugin do and how ? > there is smtp dsn, nothing more makes sense > > looking to the thread subject , you need to have new i

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 03.06.2012 16:24, schrieb Michael Orlitzky: > On 06/03/12 04:43, Ed W wrote: >> >> Look, I can argue against the idea easily, personally my objection is >> mail loops, but the point is that the customer demands it, and at >> present that prevents me bidding for certain types of business... >

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 06/03/12 04:43, Ed W wrote: > > Look, I can argue against the idea easily, personally my objection is > mail loops, but the point is that the customer demands it, and at > present that prevents me bidding for certain types of business... > Basically the customer just wants to repro what the

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2012-06-03 4:43 AM, Ed W wrote: Look, I can argue against the idea easily, personally my objection is mail loops, but the point is that the customer demands it, and at present that prevents me bidding for certain types of business... Basically the customer just wants to repro what they got wi

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 03.06.2012 10:43, schrieb Ed W: > On 03/06/2012 09:06, Linda Walsh wrote: >> Ed W wrote: >>> >>> Just to register interest, but at some point I will need to consider >>> writing a plugin or similar to achieve exactly this. >>> >>> Situation is that several of our competitors offer such a feature

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.06.2012 10:43, schrieb Ed W: > Please folks - don't argue with me - I'm the wrong person! The recipient who > is receiving these emails, ie the > person being "bugged" is demanding that they are "buggable". If they demand > it and it's a requirement for > providing them service then I h

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Ed W
On 03/06/2012 09:06, Linda Walsh wrote: Ed W wrote: Just to register interest, but at some point I will need to consider writing a plugin or similar to achieve exactly this. Situation is that several of our competitors offer such a feature, ie known pool of users on dialup or intermittently

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-06-03 Thread Linda Walsh
Ed W wrote: Just to register interest, but at some point I will need to consider writing a plugin or similar to achieve exactly this. Situation is that several of our competitors offer such a feature, ie known pool of users on dialup or intermittently connected systems, provide an alert bac