Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-25 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Apr 25, 2008, at 6:09 AM, Joshua Slive wrote: The way I should have phrased it is this: When people who aren't working on a particular documentation issue try to control how it is done, it takes the fun out of it for me. You lost me there. If you define a documentation task as a one-person

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-25 Thread Joshua Slive
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Joshua Slive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not going to put this to a PMC vote because I think it is > poisoness to the docs group to let a bunch of people who aren't > participating in documentation development make decisions on > inconsequential docs chang

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-25 Thread Vinko Vrsalovic
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Maxime Petazzoni < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Roy's idea here is good. Let's setup a design contest, with rules we > will agree on (keeping the logo, accessibiliy, being xhtml1.1 compliant > or whatever), and vote on the results. Sum up the vote, and commit the >

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-25 Thread Maxime Petazzoni
[Ok, let's jump into the ring.] Hi, * Roy T. Fielding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-04-24 15:51:29]: > On Apr 24, 2008, at 1:31 PM, Paul Querna wrote: >> We are all very busy people, and this kind of bike shedding doesn't >> get us anywhere. > > We have a defined process for resolving paint colors

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-24 Thread Vinko Vrsalovic
Finally someone injects the much needed sanity in this thread! On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 3:22 AM, dhickox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hy Frankdavid,but call me dhickox,firstI would like some body to detail me > what role am I playing on theseginy pig experimental,I feel you in on > part,I been tr

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-24 Thread dhickox
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:02 PM Subject: Re: adopt www.apache.org site design > On Thursday 24 April 2008 22:31:56 Paul Querna wrote: > > Roy T. Fielding wrote: > > >> Which just goes to show why I stated in my original email that I >

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-24 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Apr 24, 2008, at 1:31 PM, Paul Querna wrote: We are all very busy people, and this kind of bike shedding doesn't get us anywhere. We have a defined process for resolving paint colors for bike sheds. We only use it when there is disagreement. The only time this stuff blows up is when people

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-24 Thread Astrid 'Kess' Stolper
On Thursday 24 April 2008 22:31:56 Paul Querna wrote: > Roy T. Fielding wrote: > >> Which just goes to show why I stated in my original email that I > >> wasn't interested in nitpicking the design with a bunch of back-seat > >> quarterbacks. Everyone has different opinions about what constitutes >

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-24 Thread Astrid 'Kess' Stolper
On Thursday 24 April 2008 20:29:20 Joshua Slive wrote: > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Roy T. Fielding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In any case, I've got way better things to > > do then this. > > Whatever, Roy. > > I'm not going to put this to a PMC vote because I think it is > poisoness t

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-24 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Joshua Slive wrote: Any objections to adopting the new www.apache.org site design? The httpd site is looking a little dated, in my opinion. The detail lost in this discussion is that docs@ is a specific activity of the httpd project, documenting the httpd application, in a dozen languages, with

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-24 Thread Paul Querna
Roy T. Fielding wrote: Which just goes to show why I stated in my original email that I wasn't interested in nitpicking the design with a bunch of back-seat quarterbacks. Everyone has different opinions about what constitutes good design. I was trying to adopt something that had a pretty-obvious

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-24 Thread Joshua Slive
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Roy T. Fielding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In any case, I've got way better things to > do then this. Whatever, Roy. I'm not going to put this to a PMC vote because I think it is poisoness to the docs group to let a bunch of people who aren't participating in

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-24 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Apr 24, 2008, at 6:32 AM, Joshua Slive wrote: The pages you pointed to as examples used <100% for their default text fonts (at least the ones I checked). If you're trying to make an empirical argument, start by checking the data. I looked at the characters on screen. I don't care if the cha

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-24 Thread Joshua Slive
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Roy T. Fielding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Apr 23, 2008, at 5:42 PM, Joshua Slive wrote: > > > What are you talking about Roy? I don't want to get into this > > argument, but just checking one of the those three example sites (the > > last one), I found all th

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-24 Thread Jason Lingohr
Jason Lingohr wrote: Joshua Slive wrote: Any objections to adopting the new www.apache.org site design? The httpd site is looking a little dated, in my opinion. I'm iffy on it at this moment -- I have a long weekend coming up (thankyou for all your efforts diggers!), and I'll look over it

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-24 Thread Lucien GENTIS
Joshua Slive a écrit : Any objections to adopting the new www.apache.org site design? The httpd site is looking a little dated, in my opinion. Perhaps a little dated, but so clear and efficient, . . . , looked good to me :'( But don't let us cry and pouring tears, let's go ahead :-) I'm n

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-24 Thread Mads Toftum
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:25:18AM +0100, Nick Kew wrote: > On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:59:54 -0400 > "Joshua Slive" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Two small changes to the CSS got rid of the > > font-size and reflow issue, as you can see from > > http://people.apache.org/~slive/httpd-site/docs/ >

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-24 Thread Nick Kew
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:15:48 -0500 "Webmaster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The main thing that makes it look basd is the clashing boldness of the > purple and red fonts against a light black font that doesn't look so > good against all that tan. > > Just little tweaks and it will look awesome, b

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-24 Thread Nick Kew
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:59:54 -0400 "Joshua Slive" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Two small changes to the CSS got rid of the > font-size and reflow issue, as you can see from > http://people.apache.org/~slive/httpd-site/docs/ Yes, that addresses my most important criticisms. I can withdraw -1, but

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-24 Thread Tony Stevenson
Joshua Slive wrote: Any objections to adopting the new www.apache.org site design? The httpd site is looking a little dated, in my opinion. Go for it, a +1 from me too. Nice move, I was wondering how long it would take to disseminate into project websites. I'm not interested in getting into

RE: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-23 Thread Vincent de Lau
> From: Roy T. Fielding [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > The background > is white because that's the background of our nontransparent logo > images, and unless you intend to convert them all there is no > point in trying to change it. If you want to improve other things > about our site, then go ahea

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-23 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Apr 23, 2008, at 5:42 PM, Joshua Slive wrote: What are you talking about Roy? I don't want to get into this argument, but just checking one of the those three example sites (the last one), I found all three of the "flaws" that Nick was after: does not reflow properly for very-small screens, se

RE: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-23 Thread Webmaster
23, 2008 3:04 PM > To: docs@httpd.apache.org > Subject: adopt www.apache.org site design > > Any objections to adopting the new www.apache.org site > design? The httpd site is looking a little dated, in my opinion. > > I'm not interested in getting into a long debate abo

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-23 Thread Jason Lingohr
Joshua Slive wrote: Any objections to adopting the new www.apache.org site design? The httpd site is looking a little dated, in my opinion. I'm iffy on it at this moment -- I have a long weekend coming up (thankyou for all your efforts diggers!), and I'll look over it a bit more then.

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-23 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Joshua Slive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Any objections to adopting the new www.apache.org site design? The > httpd site is looking a little dated, in my opinion. +1 to switching. Those who are complaining know where the source is and they can improve upon it th

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-23 Thread Joshua Slive
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Roy T. Fielding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Apr 23, 2008, at 3:59 PM, Joshua Slive wrote: > > > I know all these arguments, and I'm not going to get into them, except > > to say that the vast majority of websites on the internet share every > > one of these "fla

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-23 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Apr 23, 2008, at 3:59 PM, Joshua Slive wrote: I know all these arguments, and I'm not going to get into them, except to say that the vast majority of websites on the internet share every one of these "flaws". Two small changes to the CSS got rid of the font-size and reflow issue, as you can se

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-23 Thread Joshua Slive
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Nick Kew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:04:09 -0400 > "Joshua Slive" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Here is a rough cut > > http://people.apache.org/~slive/httpd-site/docs/ > > The links don't work, but you can type in the URLs with the

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-23 Thread Nick Kew
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:04:09 -0400 "Joshua Slive" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here is a rough cut > http://people.apache.org/~slive/httpd-site/docs/ > The links don't work, but you can type in the URLs with the obvious > adjustment to see other pages. -1 as-is. Wearing my (admittedly old) web

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-23 Thread Joshua Slive
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Roy T. Fielding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Apr 23, 2008, at 1:04 PM, Joshua Slive wrote: > > > > Any objections to adopting the new www.apache.org site design? The > > httpd site is looking a little dated, in my opinion. > > > > I don't think so. Maybe I am g

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-23 Thread Mads Toftum
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 01:39:11PM -0700, Roy T. Fielding wrote: > I don't think so. Maybe I am going blind, but I find that style very > hard to read. I prefer the larger font, white background, and original > feather graphics of our current site. I seriously dislike the menu bar > and horizont

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-23 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Apr 23, 2008, at 1:04 PM, Joshua Slive wrote: Any objections to adopting the new www.apache.org site design? The httpd site is looking a little dated, in my opinion. I don't think so. Maybe I am going blind, but I find that style very hard to read. I prefer the larger font, white backgrou

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-23 Thread Ruediger Pluem
On 04/23/2008 10:04 PM, Joshua Slive wrote: Any objections to adopting the new www.apache.org site design? The httpd site is looking a little dated, in my opinion. Thanks for picking this up. Do it. Details can be adjusted later. I'm not interested in getting into a long debate about the d

Re: adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-23 Thread Sander Temme
On Apr 23, 2008, at 1:04 PM, Joshua Slive wrote: Any objections to adopting the new www.apache.org site design? The httpd site is looking a little dated, in my opinion. +1, Do it. S. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.temme.net/sander/ PGP FP: 51B4 8727 466A 0BC3 69F4 B7B8 B2BE

adopt www.apache.org site design

2008-04-23 Thread Joshua Slive
Any objections to adopting the new www.apache.org site design? The httpd site is looking a little dated, in my opinion. I'm not interested in getting into a long debate about the details of the design. (Although people are welcome to play around after it is committed.) I just grabbed exactly what