Re: [DNSOP] CNSRRSIG (was: Re: [Ext] draft-fujiwara-dnsop-delegation-information-signer))

2021-01-21 Thread Peter van Dijk
On Thu, 2020-12-10 at 15:48 -0800, Brian Dickson wrote: > > > > Compared to DiS, registrar complexity is identical (because the > > complexity is also hidden in the signer here); signer complexity is > > potentially lower. The only real complexity change vs. DiS is in the > > auths, that now need

Re: [DNSOP] NSA says don't use public DNS or DoH servers

2021-01-21 Thread Wes Hardaker
"John Levine" writes: > They think DoH is swell, but not when it bypasses security controls > and leaks info to random outside people At least 15% of network operators seem to agree. https://www.isi.edu/~hardaker/news/20191120-canary-domain-measuring.html -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI

Re: [DNSOP] NSA says don't use public DNS or DoH servers

2021-01-21 Thread Paul Vixie
On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 03:36:41PM -0800, Wes Hardaker wrote: > "John Levine" writes: > > > They think DoH is swell, but not when it bypasses security controls > > and leaks info to random outside people > > At least 15% of network operators seem to agree. > > https://www.isi.edu/~hardaker/news

Re: [DNSOP] NSA says don't use public DNS or DoH servers

2021-01-21 Thread Tom Pusateri
> On Jan 21, 2021, at 8:59 PM, Paul Vixie wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 03:36:41PM -0800, Wes Hardaker wrote: >> "John Levine" writes: >> >>> They think DoH is swell, but not when it bypasses security controls >>> and leaks info to random outside people >> >> At least 15% of network op

Re: [DNSOP] CNSRRSIG (was: Re: [Ext] draft-fujiwara-dnsop-delegation-information-signer))

2021-01-21 Thread Brian Dickson
On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 3:45 AM Peter van Dijk wrote: > On Thu, 2020-12-10 at 15:48 -0800, Brian Dickson wrote: > > > > > > Compared to DiS, registrar complexity is identical (because the > > > complexity is also hidden in the signer here); signer complexity is > > > potentially lower. The only r

Re: [DNSOP] NSA says don't use public DNS or DoH servers

2021-01-21 Thread Paul Vixie
On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 09:10:25PM -0500, Tom Pusateri wrote: > > > On Jan 21, 2021, at 8:59 PM, Paul Vixie wrote: > > > > (new behaviour should require new signalling. let networks who want to > > permit DNS bypass either by "use 8.8.8.8" or "use DoH" or otherwise, > > signal this by adding a n