Re: [DNSOP] Validating responses when following unsigned CNAME chains...

2020-05-01 Thread Shumon Huque
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 2:47 PM Ted Lemon wrote: > On Apr 30, 2020, at 2:31 PM, Michael StJohns > wrote: > > Because an attacker can twiddle with a CNAME. So while the recipient sees > a CNAME pointing at a validatable end item, that may not have been the end > name the publisher provided. I'

Re: [DNSOP] Validating responses when following unsigned CNAME chains...

2020-05-01 Thread Shumon Huque
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 11:14 AM Ted Lemon wrote: > > To be clear, I think that if we’ve been asked to do DNSSEC, we should > always validate what we can when the answer includes some data that is > provably insecure and some data that is provably secure and can be > validated. I just don’t think

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-pwouters-powerbind

2020-05-01 Thread Bob Harold
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 9:44 PM John Levine wrote: > In article you write: > >Yep, I suspect some of the bigger TLDs probably couldn't opt in to this > >draft simply because they're full of, um, "history". Until that history > >is cleaned, they probably couldn't deploy it. > > It's not just his

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-pwouters-powerbind

2020-05-01 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Bob, On 1 May 2020, at 14:02, Bob Harold wrote: > Is there any chance that a user trying to reach https://example.com could get > the orphan glue A record for example.com instead of the A record in the real > zone? If the A record is orphan glue, there is no real zone (by being orphaned, i

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-pwouters-powerbind

2020-05-01 Thread John R Levine
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 9:44 PM John Levine wrote: I think it's benign to allow any sort of record as an immediate child of the domain, since you need to go two levels down for split zones. That handes the nominet and zz--zz cases. Is there any chance that a user trying to reach https://examp

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-pwouters-powerbind

2020-05-01 Thread Joe Abley
Hi John, On 1 May 2020, at 14:23, John R Levine wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 9:44 PM John Levine wrote: >>> I think it's benign to allow any sort of record as an immediate child >>> of the domain, since you need to go two levels down for split zones. >>> That handes the nominet and zz--zz

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-pwouters-powerbind

2020-05-01 Thread John R Levine
In a sense, a glue record with the same owner name as a zone cut could be equivalent to a glue record with an owner name that is subordinate to a zone cut. I don't have enough of the spec in my head to know why they would definitively be different from the protocol perspective. I realise it's n

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-pwouters-powerbind

2020-05-01 Thread Wes Hardaker
Joe Abley writes: > Anyway, I am fairly confident in saying that there are legitimate, > normal operational processes that can result in orphan glue, and that > it's not correct to infer that they all exist for reasons of poor > hygiene. For the record: I certainly (and I doubt Paul) envisioned