Re: [DNSOP] [hrpc] Proposal for a side-meeting on services centralization at IETF 104 Prague

2019-03-20 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 05:58:13PM +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote a message of 19 lines which said: > [Sorry for the long list of working groups but the discussion already > started in different places.] > It was suggested to have a side meeting in Prague at IETF 104. I > propose monday

Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] New I-D: draft-reid-doh-operator

2019-03-20 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 20/03/2019 05:46, Brian Dickson wrote: > On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 8:36 PM Stephen Farrell > wrote: > >> >> >> On 20/03/2019 03:17, Brian Dickson wrote: >> >>> - If a network operator has any policy that is enforceable, ONLY the >>> technical policy enforcement model scales. >> >> My mail was

Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] New I-D: draft-reid-doh-operator

2019-03-20 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Mar 19, 2019, at 11:17 PM, Brian Dickson > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 6:42 PM Stephen Farrell > wrote: > > Hiya, > > One individualistic data point on this sub-topic, and a real point: > > On 20/03/2019 01:13, Jared Mauch wrote: > > My impression is there are people who

Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] New I-D: draft-reid-doh-operator

2019-03-20 Thread Joe Abley
[There is actually a proposal at the bottom of this e-mail. Bear with me.] On 20 Mar 2019, at 11:09, Jared Mauch wrote: > Often as an industry we may discuss various solutions that are great for > oneself but don’t scale when looking at the big picture. I think what we are seeing is the fundam

[DNSOP] dnsop meeting agenda?

2019-03-20 Thread 神明達哉
There's still no link to meeting agenda of dnsop sessions on the IETF104 agenda page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/agenda/ Is it some kind of operation error or is the agenda still unavailable? If it's the latter, when can we expect to see it? -- JINMEI, Tatuya ___

Re: [DNSOP] dnsop meeting agenda?

2019-03-20 Thread Tim Wicinski
Hi I've been trying to push out a version but has been tied up in all day work meetings this week with poor internet sadly. We should have one up today. Tim On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 10:32 AM 神明達哉 wrote: > There's still no link to meeting agenda of dnsop sessions on the > IETF104 agenda page: h

[DNSOP] Rough Agenda for IETF104

2019-03-20 Thread Tim Wicinski
All I've put together a rough agenda from our agenda requests and uploaded into the data tracker: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/agenda-104-dnsop-00 I've probably missed something in our email, but don't blame the other chairs for anything. I will be in Prague Thursday even

Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] New I-D: draft-reid-doh-operator

2019-03-20 Thread Jacques Latour
I'm trying to balance in my mind the requirements to protect the DNS vs. what is happening on the wire, in the end, the browser will connect to an IP address which can be (in most case) mapped to a domain name, which we're trying to protect/hide with all sorts of encryption. Someone that has ac

Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] New I-D: draft-reid-doh-operator

2019-03-20 Thread Adam Roach
On 3/20/19 12:59 PM, Jacques Latour wrote: I'm trying to balance in my mind the requirements to protect the DNS vs. what is happening on the wire, in the end, the browser will connect to an IP address which can be (in most case) mapped to a domain name I don't think this second assertion is

Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] New I-D: draft-reid-doh-operator

2019-03-20 Thread 神明達哉
At Wed, 20 Mar 2019 12:38:05 +0100, Joe Abley wrote: > > Often as an industry we may discuss various solutions that are great for oneself but don’t scale when looking at the big picture. > > I think what we are seeing is the fundamental tension between privacy and control. You need to give up som

Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] New I-D: draft-reid-doh-operator

2019-03-20 Thread Jacques Latour
It's not what you access, it's what you block, since reverse DNS is not a good solution in this instance, you need to map the DNS block list to it's IP addresses and block those IPs, and readjust based on TTL, you'll end up blocking more stuff than intended, huge mess, but if you can't trust the

Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] New I-D: draft-reid-doh-operator

2019-03-20 Thread Matthew Pounsett
On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 13:37, Christian Huitema wrote: > > On 3/19/2019 12:50 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: > > On 19 Mar 2019, at 01:50, Matthew Pounsett wrote: > > Somewhere up-thread it was suggested that there are other reasonable steps > that a network/security operator can take to maintain the con

Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] New I-D: draft-reid-doh-operator

2019-03-20 Thread Matthew Pounsett
On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 13:45, Ted Hardie wrote: > >> I have a relationship with my users and I can control the configuration >> of their *known* applications. I do not have a relationship with the >> malware author that is trying to steal their data, and cannot control the >> configuration of th

Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] New I-D: draft-reid-doh-operator

2019-03-20 Thread Jared Mauch
It’s also about DLP and other related topics. There is a deep well here we keep tiptoeing around. Some things are mitigated by enterprise certificates and others are far more tricky. Doing this with DNS helps with that defense in depth. Removing that layer of defense will increase risks on one

Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] New I-D: draft-reid-doh-operator

2019-03-20 Thread Matthew Pounsett
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at 07:38, Joe Abley wrote: > [There is actually a proposal at the bottom of this e-mail. Bear with me.] > And it's a good proposal! > > Standardise this privacy mechanism, and specify (with reasoning) that it > should be implemented such that the existence of the channel (b

Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] New I-D: draft-reid-doh-operator

2019-03-20 Thread Vittorio Bertola
> Il 20 marzo 2019 alle 12.38 Joe Abley ha scritto: > > Seems to me that there's a middle ground within sight here. > > Standardise this privacy mechanism, and specify (with reasoning) that it > should be implemented such that the existence of the channel (but not the > content) can be identif

[DNSOP] BCP 222, RFC 8552 on Scoped Interpretation of DNS Resource Records through "Underscored" Naming of Attribute Leaves

2019-03-20 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. BCP 222 RFC 8552 Title: Scoped Interpretation of DNS Resource Records through "Underscored" Naming of Attribute Leaves Author: D. Crocker Status:

[DNSOP] BCP 222, RFC 8553 on DNS Attrleaf Changes: Fixing Specifications That Use Underscored Node Names

2019-03-20 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. BCP 222 RFC 8553 Title: DNS Attrleaf Changes: Fixing Specifications That Use Underscored Node Names Author: D. Crocker Status: Best Current Pract