Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes

2017-07-10 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 11:14:26AM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote: > b) For DNS tools to add support for allocated data types within X >months of them being assigned by IANA. Allocated types are >supposed to have stable wire and presentation formats. > > for a reasonable value of X (<= 12?).

Re: [DNSOP] New draft: Algorithm Negotiation in DNSSEC

2017-07-10 Thread Bob Harold
On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Shumon Huque wrote: > Hi folks, > > We've posted a new draft on algorithm negotiation which we're hoping to > discuss at IETF99 (and on list of course). I've discussed this topic with > several folks at DNS-OARC recently. > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-

Re: [DNSOP] New draft: Algorithm Negotiation in DNSSEC

2017-07-10 Thread Shumon Huque
On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Bob Harold wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Shumon Huque wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> We've posted a new draft on algorithm negotiation which we're hoping to >> discuss at IETF99 (and on list of course). I've discussed this topic with >> several folks a

Re: [DNSOP] New draft: Algorithm Negotiation in DNSSEC

2017-07-10 Thread Michael H. Warfield
On Mon, 2017-07-10 at 13:50 -0400, Bob Harold wrote: > On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Shumon Huque > wrote: > > Hi folks, ... > And perhaps a really dumb off-topic question: > I do not use DNSSEC yet, mostly due to time and effort, secondly due > to concern over the additional size and proces

Re: [DNSOP] New draft: Algorithm Negotiation in DNSSEC

2017-07-10 Thread Shumon Huque
On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Shumon Huque wrote: > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Bob Harold wrote: > >> >> On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Shumon Huque wrote: >> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> We've posted a new draft on algorithm negotiation which we're hoping to >>> discuss at IETF99 (and on l

Re: [DNSOP] New draft: Algorithm Negotiation in DNSSEC

2017-07-10 Thread Paul Wouters
On Mon, 10 Jul 2017, Shumon Huque wrote: We've posted a new draft on algorithm negotiation which we're hoping to discuss at IETF99 (and on list of course). I've discussed this topic with several folks at DNS-OARC recently.     https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-huque-dnssec-alg-nego-00 I'm not

Re: [DNSOP] New draft: Algorithm Negotiation in DNSSEC

2017-07-10 Thread Ólafur Guðmundsson
Shumon, In section 5 your draft says: If an Authoritative Server has no algorithms in common with the Preferred Algorithms list in the incoming query, it MUST send back a SERVFAIL response (Response Code 2). This response MUST contain the list of algorithms supported by the server in

Re: [DNSOP] New draft: Algorithm Negotiation in DNSSEC

2017-07-10 Thread Shumon Huque
On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jul 2017, Shumon Huque wrote: > > We've posted a new draft on algorithm negotiation which we're hoping >> to discuss at IETF99 (and on list of course). I've discussed this >> topic with several folks at DNS-OARC recently. >> >>

Re: [DNSOP] New draft: Algorithm Negotiation in DNSSEC

2017-07-10 Thread Shumon Huque
On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Ólafur Guðmundsson wrote: > Shumon, > > In section 5 your draft says: > >If an Authoritative Server has no algorithms in common with the >Preferred Algorithms list in the incoming query, it MUST send back a >SERVFAIL response (Response Code 2). This r

Re: [DNSOP] New draft: Algorithm Negotiation in DNSSEC

2017-07-10 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , Shumon Huque writes: > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: > > > On Mon, 10 Jul 2017, Shumon Huque wrote: > > > > We've posted a new draft on algorithm negotiation which we're hoping > >> to discuss at IETF99 (and on list of course). I've discussed this > >> topic

Re: [DNSOP] New draft: Algorithm Negotiation in DNSSEC

2017-07-10 Thread Paul Wouters
On Mon, 10 Jul 2017, Shumon Huque wrote: Perhaps we didn't explain it clearly enough, so let me give you a concrete example: My zone is currently signed with 2048-bit RSASHA256. I want to offer signatures with Ed448 (or some other new algorithm) also, so that newer validators can take advanta

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-terminology-bis-06.txt

2017-07-10 Thread Paul Hoffman
On 3 Jul 2017, at 1:48, Peter van Dijk wrote: > Hello, > > On 1 Jul 2017, at 23:40, internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: > >> Abstract: >>The DNS is defined in literally dozens of different RFCs. The >>terminology used by implementers and developers of DNS protocols, and >>by operators of

Re: [DNSOP] New draft: Algorithm Negotiation in DNSSEC

2017-07-10 Thread Shumon Huque
On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:55 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jul 2017, Shumon Huque wrote: > >> >> So the goal is not to have them "permanently" signed with multiple >> algorithms, but for a defined transition period, which may not be very >> short. At that point, the older algorithm would b

Re: [DNSOP] New draft: Algorithm Negotiation in DNSSEC

2017-07-10 Thread Shumon Huque
On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > > I also don't want to deploy only Ed448 and cause my zone to be instantly > > treated as unsigned by the vast majority of resolvers. Obviously, because > > I've nullified the security benefit of DNSSEC, but also because I have > > applica