Re: [DNSOP] Comment on section 2 of draft-ietf-dnsop-nxdomain-cut-05.txt

2016-09-28 Thread Edward Lewis
On 9/27/16, 18:46, "Matthew Pounsett" wrote: >Would it be better then to leave early expiry as an implementation choice I think it comes down to implementer's choice. The goal of the (IETF in general) documents is interoperability. Whether or not a cache chooses to keep the cached entries or r

[DNSOP] Alissa Cooper's No Record on draft-ietf-dnsop-maintain-ds-03: (with COMMENT)

2016-09-28 Thread Alissa Cooper
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Re: [DNSOP] Comment on section 2 of draft-ietf-dnsop-nxdomain-cut-05.txt

2016-09-28 Thread Shumon Huque
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Edward Lewis wrote: > On 9/27/16, 18:46, "Matthew Pounsett" wrote: > >Would it be better then to leave early expiry as an implementation choice > > I think it comes down to implementer's choice. The goal of the (IETF in > general) documents is interoperability.

Re: [DNSOP] Mitigation of name collisions

2016-09-28 Thread Keith Mitchell
> william manning Tue, 20 September 2016 > 04:29 UTC wrote: > back in the early days of potentially confusing > assignments/delegations, I was asked to stand up authoritative > servers for the RFC 1918 space. The first iteration was just a > wildcard to TXT.Clients (early microsoft clients

Re: [DNSOP] Comment on section 2 of draft-ietf-dnsop-nxdomain-cut-05.txt

2016-09-28 Thread Matthew Pounsett
On 28 September 2016 at 06:42, Edward Lewis wrote: > On 9/27/16, 18:46, "Matthew Pounsett" wrote: > >Would it be better then to leave early expiry as an implementation choice > > > Ultimately, the goal of the draft is to tell a recursive server that if it > can conclusively deduce existence of a

Re: [DNSOP] Comment on section 2 of draft-ietf-dnsop-nxdomain-cut-05.txt

2016-09-28 Thread Ralf Weber
Moin! On 28 Sep 2016, at 17:21, Shumon Huque wrote: > To be precise, I would say we are not necessarily always pruning out entire > zones. For a leaf zone, we are pruning all names within that zone below the > nxdomain-cut, modulo cached entries, i.e. a subset of the zone. But yes, > for non-leaf

Re: [DNSOP] Comment on section 2 of draft-ietf-dnsop-nxdomain-cut-05.txt

2016-09-28 Thread Shumon Huque
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Ralf Weber wrote: > Moin! > > On 28 Sep 2016, at 17:21, Shumon Huque wrote: > > To be precise, I would say we are not necessarily always pruning out > entire > > zones. For a leaf zone, we are pruning all names within that zone below > the > > nxdomain-cut, modul

Re: [DNSOP] Comment on section 2 of draft-ietf-dnsop-nxdomain-cut-05.txt

2016-09-28 Thread Shumon Huque
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Matthew Pounsett wrote: > > > On 28 September 2016 at 06:42, Edward Lewis > wrote: > >> On 9/27/16, 18:46, "Matthew Pounsett" wrote: >> >Would it be better then to leave early expiry as an implementation choice >> >> >> Ultimately, the goal of the draft is to t

[DNSOP] Off topic: DNS and Internet Naming Research Directions (DINR-2016) workshop

2016-09-28 Thread Wes Hardaker
This is slightly off topic from dnsop, though is definitely heavily related so please excuse my side topic posting: USC/ISI will be holding a workshop, of which the announcement follows. This, sadly, conflicts with the upcoming IETF. Because it conflicts with the Seoul IETF, which I'll also be

Re: [DNSOP] Comment on section 2 of draft-ietf-dnsop-nxdomain-cut-05.txt

2016-09-28 Thread Matthew Pounsett
On 28 September 2016 at 10:29, Shumon Huque wrote: > On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Matthew Pounsett > wrote: > >> >> >> On 28 September 2016 at 06:42, Edward Lewis >> wrote: >> >>> On 9/27/16, 18:46, "Matthew Pounsett" wrote: >>> >Would it be better then to leave early expiry as an impleme

Re: [DNSOP] Off topic: DNS and Internet Naming Research Directions (DINR-2016) workshop

2016-09-28 Thread Paul Hoffman
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Re: [DNSOP] Off topic: DNS and Internet Naming Research Directions (DINR-2016) workshop

2016-09-28 Thread william manning
take a gander at this... On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Wes Hardaker wrote: > > This is slightly off topic from dnsop, though is definitely heavily > related so please excuse my side topic posting: > > > USC/ISI will be holding a workshop, of which the announcement follows. > This, sadly, c

[DNSOP] Tell me about the ISO 3166 user assigned two-letter codes and TLDs

2016-09-28 Thread John Levine
I don't think this has anything to do with RFC 6761, so ... For a very long time, two letter TLDs have been assigned to countries and other geographic entities per the ISO 3166 alpha-2 list. The earliest mention I can find is in RFC 920 in 1984, and even then the wording suggests that the usage w

Re: [DNSOP] Tell me about the ISO 3166 user assigned two-letter codes and TLDs

2016-09-28 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <20160928232720.9513.qm...@ary.lan>, "John Levine" writes: > I don't think this has anything to do with RFC 6761, so ... > > For a very long time, two letter TLDs have been assigned to countries > and other geographic entities per the ISO 3166 alpha-2 list. The > earliest mention I ca

Re: [DNSOP] Tell me about the ISO 3166 user assigned two-letter codes and TLDs

2016-09-28 Thread David Conrad
John, On September 28, 2016 at 4:27:51 PM, John Levine (jo...@taugh.com) wrote: I don't think this has anything to do with RFC 6761, so ...  I tend to agree, but it did get caught up in the 6761 maelstrom For a very long time, two letter TLDs have been assigned to countries  and other geographic

Re: [DNSOP] Tell me about the ISO 3166 user assigned two-letter codes and TLDs

2016-09-28 Thread John R Levine
I've been telling people that if they need a fake private TLD for their local ?? network they should use one of those since it is exceedingly unlikely ?? ever to collide with a real DNS name. Am I right? ?? I'd really like to say yes, but ISO-3166/MA appears to have removed references to "User

Re: [DNSOP] Tell me about the ISO 3166 user assigned two-letter codes and TLDs

2016-09-28 Thread John Levine
>No. Just because countries don't get assigned these values it >doesn't mean that they can't be assigned by ICANN or the IETF in >consultation with ICANN. I don't see how that follows. For over 30 years, the rule has been that two-letter names are reserved for ccTLDs. There's never been any hin

Re: [DNSOP] Where in a CNAME chain is the QNAME?

2016-09-28 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 09:04:54AM -0400, Matt Larson wrote a message of 41 lines which said: > I'd venture that more people familiar with the subject matter would > define QNAME as the name in the question section of a DNS message. > (That's my sense of the definition, FWIW.) What about addi

Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special Use Names (Please! Pretty please, with a cherry on top?!)

2016-09-28 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 12:35:00PM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote a message of 16 lines which said: > > it works (two TLD were registered through it). > > Are you referring to the two registrations as successes or failures, In the absence of criteria for defining success or failure of a special-u

Re: [DNSOP] On the call for adoption on Special Use Names (Please! Pretty please, with a cherry on top?!)

2016-09-28 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 12:23:15PM -0400, Ted Lemon wrote a message of 72 lines which said: > Stephane, have you read draft-tldr-sutld-ps? Yes, but did not had time to post a sensible review, sorry. ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www

Re: [DNSOP] Where in a CNAME chain is the QNAME?

2016-09-28 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 12:33:39PM +0100, Ólafur Guðmundsson wrote a message of 148 lines which said: > The RCODE applies to the RRSET pointed to by the last CNAME in answer > section (or the missing one). This specific case was settled in RFC 6604 and I did not intend to reopen it. My proble

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-05.txt

2016-09-28 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 05:51:54PM +0100, Jim Reid wrote a message of 21 lines which said: > > No. It is rightmost only in LTR scripts. "final" is correct, > > "rightmost" isn't. Please delete it. > > The original text is correct and doesn’t need fixing. Well, at least > the quoted extract do

Re: [DNSOP] Tell me about the ISO 3166 user assigned two-letter codes and TLDs

2016-09-28 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <20160929025351.9873.qm...@ary.lan>, "John Levine" writes: > >No. Just because countries don't get assigned these values it > >doesn't mean that they can't be assigned by ICANN or the IETF in > >consultation with ICANN. > > I don't see how that follows. For over 30 years, the rule ha

Re: [DNSOP] Tell me about the ISO 3166 user assigned two-letter codes and TLDs

2016-09-28 Thread Edward Lewis
On 9/29/16, 03:27, "DNSOP on behalf of John Levine" wrote: > Last year Ed Lewis wrote an I-D proposing that XA-XZ be made private use and > the rest future use, but as far as I can tell it never went anywhere. I'd been waiting for anyone else to show an interest in it before spending any time

Re: [DNSOP] Where in a CNAME chain is the QNAME?

2016-09-28 Thread Robert Edmonds
Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 09:04:54AM -0400, > Matt Larson wrote > a message of 41 lines which said: > > > I'd venture that more people familiar with the subject matter would > > define QNAME as the name in the question section of a DNS message. > > (That's my sense o