Re: [DNSOP] P2P Names Draft 03

2015-06-30 Thread Christian Grothoff
On 12/27/2014 01:24 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: > Hi Christian and Jake, > > We’ve still been discussing this in IETF-land. To reiterate - putting > all six TLDs into one draft is killing your chances of succeeding. > > I’m starting to hear people talking about creating a separate draft > to do just

Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request

2015-06-30 Thread Edward Lewis
On 6/29/15, 13:43, "DNSOP on behalf of Andrew Sullivan" wrote: >In my view, the namespace is the logical space of all possible domain >names. That certainly narrows the discussion for me. >In those registries are two kinds of registrations: ones >that are there to enable further delegation (a "

Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request

2015-06-30 Thread Ray Bellis
On 30/06/2015 12:43, Edward Lewis wrote: > Is being an entry a barrier to being used in the DNS? This is > not clear - I can ssh to a .local machine. So can I, but that's because my computer's name service stub used mDNS to find it, not DNS. Ray ___

Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request

2015-06-30 Thread Edward Lewis
On 6/30/15, 7:48, "DNSOP on behalf of Ray Bellis" wrote: >So can I, but that's because my computer's name service stub used mDNS >to find it, not DNS. Would the same code handle .onion? (Perhaps a new version via RPM push.) Is relying on software updates scaleable? This is the flip side of wh

Re: [DNSOP] Simplified Updates of DNS Security Trust Anchors, for rolling the root key

2015-06-30 Thread Tony Finch
Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: > There is much simpler way. > Just add record to the rootzone that is only signed by the new key. > If resolver returns AD bit it has the new key. I don't think this works. If the new key is published in the root zone's DNSKEY RRset then it will be signed by the old k

Re: [DNSOP] Simplified Updates of DNS Security Trust Anchors, for rolling the root key

2015-06-30 Thread Olafur Gudmundsson
> On Jun 30, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Tony Finch wrote: > > Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: > >> There is much simpler way. >> Just add record to the rootzone that is only signed by the new key. >> If resolver returns AD bit it has the new key. > > I don't think this works. > > If the new key is publis

Re: [DNSOP] Simplified Updates of DNS Security Trust Anchors, for rolling the root key

2015-06-30 Thread John Dickinson
On 29/06/2015 21:48, Warren Kumari wrote: I'd appreciate any feedback, the draft announcment is here: Name: draft-wkumari-dnsop-trust-management Revision: 00 Title: Simplified Updates of DNS Security (DNSSEC) Trust Anchors Document date: 2015-06-29 Group: Indi

Re: [DNSOP] Simplified Updates of DNS Security Trust Anchors, for rolling the root key

2015-06-30 Thread Tony Finch
Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: > > I do not yet propose what name or record is used for this experiment but > having it an “address of an object” would be good as that enables > testing from browsers. (CNAME is just as good as an address) But my point is you can't find out a validator's RFC 5011 state

Re: [DNSOP] Simplified Updates of DNS Security Trust Anchors, for rolling the root key

2015-06-30 Thread Tony Finch
John Dickinson wrote: > > I have been planning to write a draft to address 1 by having validators send > the DS of known TA's in an edns0 option code. This info, could then be logged > by the authoritative nameservers. Good idea, though just the key tags should be enough. (I think key management

Re: [DNSOP] Simplified Updates of DNS Security Trust Anchors, for rolling the root key

2015-06-30 Thread manning
unless, of course, DNSSEC allowed for signing individual records instead of zones. manning bmann...@karoshi.com PO Box 12317 Marina del Rey, CA 90295 310.322.8102 On 30June2015Tuesday, at 6:57, Tony Finch wrote: > John Dickinson wrote: >> >> I have been planning to write a draft to address

Re: [DNSOP] Simplified Updates of DNS Security Trust Anchors, for rolling the root key

2015-06-30 Thread Edward Lewis
On 6/30/15, 9:57, "Tony Finch" wrote: >John Dickinson wrote: >> >> I have been planning to write a draft to address 1 by having validators >>send >> the DS of known TA's in an edns0 option code. This info, could then be >>logged >> by the authoritative nameservers. > >Good idea, though just the k

Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request

2015-06-30 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:43:42AM +, Edward Lewis wrote: > You can then divide the list into names that have a responsible party and > those that don't - and call that (positively registered) and not (or > negatively) registered. This is a different use of "positively|negatively registered"

[DNSOP] reminder on agenda items for DNSOP IETF 93

2015-06-30 Thread Suzanne Woolf
Dear colleagues, Just a reminder: * The draft cutoff for IETF 93 is next Monday, July 6. * WG meeting agendas are due the same day. Please send agenda requests ASAP. When you do, please note that we have quite a number of documents in flight and were unable to get two meeting slots for Prag

Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request

2015-06-30 Thread Edward Lewis
On 6/30/15, 11:18, "DNSOP on behalf of Andrew Sullivan" wrote: >This is a different use of "positively|negatively registered" than I >outlined. The case that I was talking about I think _does_ have an RP >for the negaitve registration. But that registration is there to >prevent delegation. A

Re: [DNSOP] Simplified Updates of DNS Security Trust Anchors, for rolling the root key

2015-06-30 Thread Warren Kumari
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 9:34 AM, John Dickinson wrote: > > > On 29/06/2015 21:48, Warren Kumari wrote: >> >> I'd appreciate any feedback, the draft announcment is here: >> Name: draft-wkumari-dnsop-trust-management >> Revision: 00 >> Title: Simplified Updates of DNS Securi

Re: [DNSOP] Simplified Updates of DNS Security Trust Anchors, for rolling the root key

2015-06-30 Thread Warren Kumari
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Edward Lewis wrote: > On 6/30/15, 9:57, "Tony Finch" wrote: > >>John Dickinson wrote: >>> >>> I have been planning to write a draft to address 1 by having validators >>>send >>> the DS of known TA's in an edns0 option code. This info, could then be >>>logged >>>

Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request

2015-06-30 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 04:27:10PM +, Edward Lewis wrote: > > So this is about words - what you call a negative registration is a > registration nonetheless, with an responsible party. Well, it's about conceptual clarity. If we want to call that "negative registration" instead "skippy the wo