[DNSOP] Debugging DNSSEC SERVFAILs on resolver side

2015-02-11 Thread Petr Spacek
Hello dnsop, while implementing DNSSEC validation into Fedora/RHEL distributions we face problems with debugging SERVFAILs seen by stub resolvers because different causes of SERVFAILs are indistinguishable. Even in cases where we have access to server logs (e.g. because the validating resolver ru

Re: [DNSOP] Debugging DNSSEC SERVFAILs on resolver side

2015-02-11 Thread Pier Carlo Chiodi
Hello, On 2015-02-11 15:18, Petr Spacek wrote: while implementing DNSSEC validation into Fedora/RHEL distributions we face problems with debugging SERVFAILs seen by stub resolvers because different causes of SERVFAILs are indistinguishable. ... Wild idea: Could it be solved by adding more inf

Re: [DNSOP] Debugging DNSSEC SERVFAILs on resolver side

2015-02-11 Thread Olafur Gudmundsson
Hi Petr, This has been discussed in the past a few times and died as people could not agree on what the format of the record was going to be, if it was going to be useful for human or computers etc. The first idea was probably presented in 1987 by Robert Watson and myself https://tools.ietf

Re: [DNSOP] Debugging DNSSEC SERVFAILs on resolver side

2015-02-11 Thread Evan Hunt
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 03:44:31PM +0100, Pier Carlo Chiodi wrote: > >Wild idea: Could it be solved by adding more information to SERVFAIL > >answer? > > a draft was proposed with this very topic, but it's expired now: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hunt-dns-server-diagnostics/ I'

[DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-roadblock-avoidance & support for local DNS views

2015-02-11 Thread Petr Spacek
Hello dnsop, draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-roadblock-avoidance is a nice idea in general but current version of "Roadblock Avoidance", section 5, version 01 has a significant drawback: Else if the resolver is labeled "Not a DNS Resolver" or "Non-DNSSEC capable" Mark it as u

Re: [DNSOP] Debugging DNSSEC SERVFAILs on resolver side

2015-02-11 Thread Petr Spacek
On 11.2.2015 17:08, Evan Hunt wrote: > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 03:44:31PM +0100, Pier Carlo Chiodi wrote: >>> Wild idea: Could it be solved by adding more information to SERVFAIL >>> answer? >> >> a draft was proposed with this very topic, but it's expired now: >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org

Re: [DNSOP] Debugging DNSSEC SERVFAILs on resolver side

2015-02-11 Thread Evan Hunt
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 05:36:22PM +0100, Petr Spacek wrote: > In other words, I do not think we can prevent people from doing crazy things > just by obscuring format of diagnostics data. I'm sure somebody will try to > parse free-form string 'signature expired 1 week ago' and do some decisions > f

[DNSOP] draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-tld-04

2015-02-11 Thread Andrew Sullivan
Hi all, Warren and I have prepared draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-tld-04. We'd appreciate feedback. If there isn't any, maybe that's a sign that we could just publish it and thereby create a special TLD in which people could set up their various special use special names? This would be tidier than hav

Re: [DNSOP] draft-wkumari-dnsop-alt-tld-04

2015-02-11 Thread George Michaelson
the concerns in my mind divide up into politics and technology. The politics response is really simple: "this idea is doomed." -I wish I felt otherwise, but I think given the context of the debate over ICANN, who 'owns' names, $180,000 application fees, IAB directions to IANA, NTIA role, this is m

Re: [DNSOP] call for adoption: draft-vandergaast-dnsop-edns-client-subnet

2015-02-11 Thread Mark Delany
On 24Dec14, Mark Delany allegedly wrote: > > The draft is available here: > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vandergaast-dnsop-edns-client-subnet/ > > a) 6.2 - Intent of SCOPE NETMASK > > "In both cases, the value of the SCOPE NETMASK in the reply has strong > implications with regard

Re: [DNSOP] call for adoption: draft-vandergaast-dnsop-edns-client-subnet

2015-02-11 Thread George Michaelson
we've got two agencies who do DNS, and probably have > 20% worldwide eyeball share in DNS (I don't know, thats a guesstimate) now doing edns0_client_subnet albiet with whitelist, so its a permit-list, but its functionally 'there' we've got running code in bind. and no doubt other product. wouldn'