[DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org: I-D Action: draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names-00.txt]

2013-12-01 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
This draft have originally been copied to the perpass mailing list (not a working group). As far as I know, draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names is the first attempt to actually use RFC 6761 and exercice its procedures. It sees RFC 6761 (section 4) is not crystal-clear about the discussion to

Re: [DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org: I-D Action: draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names-00.txt]

2013-12-01 Thread Ted Lemon
On Dec 1, 2013, at 11:48 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > For the record, I've reviewed > draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names-00, I find it well-written > and clear and I fully support it. Registering these names would be a > very good idea. Why do you support it? Why is registering these

Re: [DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org: I-D Action: draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names-00.txt]

2013-12-01 Thread Paul Wouters
On Sun, 1 Dec 2013, Ted Lemon wrote: On Dec 1, 2013, at 11:48 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: For the record, I've reviewed draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names-00, I find it well-written and clear and I fully support it. Registering these names would be a very good idea. Why do you supp

Re: [DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org: I-D Action: draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names-00.txt]

2013-12-01 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Sun, Dec 01, 2013 at 11:56:43AM -0500, Ted Lemon wrote a message of 7 lines which said: > Why do you support it? Why is registering these names a good idea? Good question but you'll have to be patient, the answer will take time. A note about IETF procedures, first: RFC 6761 does not say

Re: [DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org: I-D Action: draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names-00.txt]

2013-12-01 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Sun, Dec 01, 2013 at 12:35:44PM -0500, Paul Wouters wrote a message of 56 lines which said: > Why wasn't .bofh on that list? I don't know it. Where is it documented? Also, RFC 6761 does not say that you MUST register everything, it only explains what is to be done if you want to register a

Re: [DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org: I-D Action: draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names-00.txt]

2013-12-01 Thread Ted Lemon
On Dec 1, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > .onion is used a lot by Tor users, to access "hidden services" > > It requires special handling (send the name to Tor and not to regular > DNS) and therefore deserves a

Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy draft

2013-12-01 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 09:42:16AM -0800, Paul Hoffman wrote a message of 52 lines which said: > Ummm, yes, but your message (and the Introduction) made it sound > like the emphasis of the draft is on listing the privacy > implications, and not the suggested changes to deal with > them. Choose

Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy draft

2013-12-01 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Dec 1, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 09:42:16AM -0800, > Paul Hoffman wrote > a message of 52 lines which said: > >> Ummm, yes, but your message (and the Introduction) made it sound >> like the emphasis of the draft is on listing the privacy >> impl

Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy draft

2013-12-01 Thread Ted Lemon
On Dec 1, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > Here's a start: "Padding the DNS query stream will have a negative effect on > the DNS systems as a whole, but will only thwart passive surveillance for > those attackers who cannot store and process the larger stream. There is no > current evid

Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy draft

2013-12-01 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Dec 1, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: > On Dec 1, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: >> Here's a start: "Padding the DNS query stream will have a negative effect on >> the DNS systems as a whole, but will only thwart passive surveillance for >> those attackers who cannot store and pr

Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy draft

2013-12-01 Thread Niall O'Reilly
> On 1 Dec 2013, at 21:44, Paul Hoffman wrote: > > padding (sending random queries from time to time) a better word might be "chaff" ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy draft

2013-12-01 Thread joel jaeggli
On 12/1/13, 1:06 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > On Dec 1, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Stephane Bortzmeyer > wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 09:42:16AM -0800, Paul Hoffman >> wrote a message of 52 lines which said: >> >>> Ummm, yes, but your message (and the Introduction) made it sound >>> like the empha