Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Breaking the logjam that is draft-ietf-dnsop-svcb-https

2023-02-23 Thread Tim Wicinski
I agree with the "ecb-in-svcb" document over a -bis, as the (soon to exist) registry states only expert review. The one thing we have not discussed is Warren's comment [0] Possibly modulo the annoyingly painful "AliasMode clarification" change: https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url1=draft-ietf

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Breaking the logjam that is draft-ietf-dnsop-svcb-https

2023-02-23 Thread Benjamin Schwartz
On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 1:41 PM David Schinazi wrote: > Moving the ECH/ESNI bits from draft-ietf-dnsop-svcb-https > to draft-ietf-tls-esni seems to be the simplest option by far here. I > strongly support that. > David > Currently, draft-ietf-tls-esni runs to 40 pages excluding the references an

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Breaking the logjam that is draft-ietf-dnsop-svcb-https

2023-02-23 Thread Jeremy Saklad
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 I don’t expect ECH to be the only security improvement enabled by SVCB, and the specification itself is designed to allow additions like that without being baked in from the start. Any issues posed by adding ECH later are indicative of issues with

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Breaking the logjam that is draft-ietf-dnsop-svcb-https

2023-02-23 Thread David Schinazi
Moving the ECH/ESNI bits from draft-ietf-dnsop-svcb-https to draft-ietf-tls-esni seems to be the simplest option by far here. I strongly support that. David On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 10:38 AM Paul Hoffman wrote: > On Feb 23, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Benjamin Schwartz wrote: > > > > I'm OK with this, al

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Breaking the logjam that is draft-ietf-dnsop-svcb-https

2023-02-23 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Feb 23, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Benjamin Schwartz wrote: > > I'm OK with this, although personally I'm happy to just wait for ECH. I had > hoped for a simpler solution (like marking SVCB's dependency on ECH as > Informative), but I can understand if the IESG thinks there's no other way. draft-i