[DNSOP] Re: Flag for Wildcard Responses

2025-01-07 Thread Shumon Huque
On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 4:42 PM Ben Schwartz wrote: > DNSSEC* makes this clear. Otherwise, I don't believe it is revealed. > > --Ben Schwartz > > *When using classic offline signing. > Yes, classic (pre-computed signature) DNSSEC definitely reveals wildcards. Online signing may or may not depen

[DNSOP] Re: Flag for Wildcard Responses

2025-01-07 Thread John Levine
It appears that Brotman, Alex said: >It was suggested that some additional context may help the conversation a bit. > >In the email world, typically a valid A/MX for the 5321.From Domain is >required for delivery (the envelope sender). Typically, you'll see these as >"alex_brot...@comcast.com" i

[DNSOP] Re: Flag for Wildcard Responses

2025-01-07 Thread Edward Lewis
On Jan 7, 2025, at 08:33, Brotman, Alex wrote: > > Coding can be done to discover these, but thought I'd ask if there were > something inherent in the protocol that could disclose when a wildcard match > was responsible for the result. Seems like in most cases, there is no such > mechanism.

[DNSOP] Re: Flag for Wildcard Responses

2025-01-07 Thread Brotman, Alex
It was suggested that some additional context may help the conversation a bit. In the email world, typically a valid A/MX for the 5321.From Domain is required for delivery (the envelope sender). Typically, you'll see these as "alex_brot...@comcast.com" in a valid/good message. There have been

[DNSOP] Re: Flag for Wildcard Responses

2025-01-07 Thread Joe Abley
On 7 Jan 2025, at 21:18, Shane Kerr wrote: > This is a good point! I guess it depends on whether you really, REALLY care > if the answer is made from a wildcard. Otherwise if the RDATA is the same you > can safely assume that it was - or might as well be. I don't think you can even say that th

[DNSOP] Re: Flag for Wildcard Responses

2025-01-07 Thread Shane Kerr
Ed, On 07/01/2025 01.09, Edward Lewis wrote: On Jan 6, 2025, at 17:06, Shane Kerr wrote: Alex, On 06/01/2025 22.02, Brotman, Alex wrote: Looking at something relating to the day job, and I'm curious if there's any method declared in the IETF world where the query side of the interaction ca

[DNSOP] Re: Flag for Wildcard Responses

2025-01-06 Thread Edward Lewis
On Jan 6, 2025, at 17:06, Shane Kerr wrote: > > Alex, > > On 06/01/2025 22.02, Brotman, Alex wrote: >> Looking at something relating to the day job, and I'm curious if there's any >> method declared in the IETF world where the query side of the interaction >> can understand that the response w

[DNSOP] Re: Flag for Wildcard Responses

2025-01-06 Thread Shane Kerr
Alex, On 06/01/2025 22.02, Brotman, Alex wrote: Looking at something relating to the day job, and I'm curious if there's any method declared in the IETF world where the query side of the interaction can understand that the response was fulfilled by a wildcard record. I've asked a few folks,

[DNSOP] Re: Flag for Wildcard Responses

2025-01-06 Thread Brotman, Alex
These are zones I do not control. I assume the recursive I'm using (which does support DNSSEC) is of no help here. I'd be happier if everyone would sign, for a bunch of reasons. I'm sure many would be. -- Alex Brotman Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy Comcast > -Original Mes

[DNSOP] Re: Flag for Wildcard Responses

2025-01-06 Thread Mark Andrews
Sign the zone. Wildcard responses are visible in the DNSSEC records. The RRSIG label count is different and there will be NSEC/NSEC3 records that show whether the wild card response is valid or not. -- Mark Andrews > On 7 Jan 2025, at 08:04, Brotman, Alex > wrote: > > Looking at something

[DNSOP] Re: Flag for Wildcard Responses

2025-01-06 Thread Ben Schwartz
DNSSEC* makes this clear. Otherwise, I don't believe it is revealed. --Ben Schwartz *When using classic offline signing. From: Brotman, Alex Sent: Monday, January 6, 2025 4:02 PM To: dnsop@ietf.org Subject: [DNSOP] Flag for Wildcard Responses Looking at someth