Re: [DNSOP] RFC 2181 - a pathway forward.

2015-07-12 Thread John Levine
>draft-pfrc-2181-handling-zone-cuts-00 (isn�t this the basis for the dbound >work?) Nope. One of the few things we seem to agree on in the dbound group is that we're not basing anything on zone cuts. There may be other reasons to update this part of 2181, but dbound isn't one. R's, John

Re: [DNSOP] RFC 2181 - a pathway forward.

2015-07-12 Thread David Conrad
> the one change i am working on is to obsolete RRsets since they are a primary > cause of DNS originated DDoS in the Internet. I thought the primary cause was spoofed source addresses. Regards, -drc signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail

Re: [DNSOP] RFC 2181 - a pathway forward.

2015-07-12 Thread Tim Wicinski
(Hats off ) And some of use Rrsets to do things for their employer that is never best practice, but necessary evils. Tim >From my high tech gadget > On Jul 12, 2015, at 16:40, Ray Bellis wrote: > >> On 11/07/2015 23:04, manning wrote: >> the one change i am working on is to obsolete RRsets

Re: [DNSOP] RFC 2181 - a pathway forward.

2015-07-12 Thread Ray Bellis
On 11/07/2015 23:04, manning wrote: > the one change i am working on is to obsolete RRsets since they are a > primary cause of DNS originated DDoS in the Internet. How do you propose to do that without completely breaking DNSSEC ? RRSIGs are calculated over entire RRsets, not RRs. Ray _

Re: [DNSOP] RFC 2181 - a pathway forward.

2015-07-11 Thread manning
thank you for your consideration. I know of substantive changes being worked on for four of the eight independent items collected in RFC 2181. I believe the other four items in RFC 2181 are unlikely to change. the one change i am working on is to obsolete RRsets since they are a primary cause

Re: [DNSOP] RFC 2181 - a pathway forward.

2015-07-11 Thread joel jaeggli
On 7/10/15 9:06 AM, Suzanne Woolf wrote: > Bill, > > On Jul 10, 2015, at 9:38 AM, Olafur Gudmundsson > wrote: > >> Question: What sections of 2181 do you see the need to update? > > This seems to be the critical question to your chairs and our AD as > well. > > If I understand it correctly, yo

Re: [DNSOP] RFC 2181 - a pathway forward.

2015-07-10 Thread Suzanne Woolf
Bill, In the interests of keeping things simple: Do you have substantive changes to RFC 2181 to propose for WG consideration at this time? If so-- please provide the list with pointers to the relevant internet-drafts. If not-- I hope that when you do have substantive changes to suggest, you'l

Re: [DNSOP] RFC 2181 - a pathway forward.

2015-07-10 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <97edc878-847a-4ff3-809a-09606bebf...@karoshi.com>, manning writes: > > > On 10July2015Friday, at 13:12, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: > > > > >> On Jul 10, 2015, at 1:31 PM, manning wrote: > >> > >> I am aware of at least three of the independent ideas in RFC 2181 > that folks are worki

Re: [DNSOP] RFC 2181 - a pathway forward.

2015-07-10 Thread manning
On 10July2015Friday, at 13:12, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: > >> On Jul 10, 2015, at 1:31 PM, manning wrote: >> >> I am aware of at least three of the independent ideas in RFC 2181 that >> folks are working on: >> >> draft-pfrc-2181--naming-issues-00 >> draft-pfrc-2181-handling-zone-cuts-00

Re: [DNSOP] RFC 2181 - a pathway forward.

2015-07-10 Thread Olafur Gudmundsson
> On Jul 10, 2015, at 1:31 PM, manning wrote: > > I am aware of at least three of the independent ideas in RFC 2181 that folks > are working on: > > draft-pfrc-2181--naming-issues-00 > draft-pfrc-2181-handling-zone-cuts-00 (isn’t this the basis for the dbound > work?) > draft-pfrc-2181-reso

Re: [DNSOP] RFC 2181 - a pathway forward.

2015-07-10 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Jul 10, 2015, at 10:31 AM, manning wrote: > Ok, so that is four. The rational for eight is so that nothing gets lost > and we can garbage collect RFC 2181, moving it to historic. > Then each idea can progress independently, without the linkage to any of the > other work and without the vest

Re: [DNSOP] RFC 2181 - a pathway forward.

2015-07-10 Thread manning
I am aware of at least three of the independent ideas in RFC 2181 that folks are working on: draft-pfrc-2181--naming-issues-00 draft-pfrc-2181-handling-zone-cuts-00 (isn’t this the basis for the dbound work?) draft-pfrc-2181-resource-record-sets-00 draft-pfrc-2181-tc-bit-00 Ok, so that is fou

Re: [DNSOP] RFC 2181 - a pathway forward.

2015-07-10 Thread Suzanne Woolf
Bill, On Jul 10, 2015, at 9:38 AM, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: > Question: > What sections of 2181 do you see the need to update? This seems to be the critical question to your chairs and our AD as well. If I understand it correctly, your proposed document roadmap has us putting eight documen

Re: [DNSOP] RFC 2181 - a pathway forward.

2015-07-10 Thread Olafur Gudmundsson
> On Jul 8, 2015, at 2:50 PM, manning wrote: > > With the WG Chairs permission. > > RFC 2181 is growing a both long in the tooth. It is, by its own admission, a > collection of eight distinct and independent ideas. As such, it is difficult > to work on one of > those ideas without raising

[DNSOP] RFC 2181 - a pathway forward.

2015-07-08 Thread manning
With the WG Chairs permission. RFC 2181 is growing a both long in the tooth. It is, by its own admission, a collection of eight distinct and independent ideas. As such, it is difficult to work on one of those ideas without raising concerns about all of them. With some coworkers, we split o

[DNSOP] RFC 2181 - a pathway forward.

2015-07-08 Thread manning
With the WG Chairs permission. RFC 2181 is growing a both long in the tooth. It is, by its own admission, a collection of eight distinct and independent ideas. As such, it is difficult to work on one of those ideas without raising concerns about all of them. With some coworkers, we split o