Re: [DNSOP] NSEC3 aggressive use for unsigned zones

2016-11-29 Thread Mukund Sivaraman
Hi Shane On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 02:53:49PM +0100, Shane Kerr wrote: > John, > > At 2016-11-27 15:18:18 - > "John Levine" wrote: > > > >What are the consequences of the authoritiative server returning > > >synthesized unsigned NSEC3 RRs upon being signalled by the resolver > > >using an EDN

Re: [DNSOP] NSEC3 aggressive use for unsigned zones

2016-11-28 Thread John R Levine
Perhaps the bloom-filter idea is something that should be explored after all (although I admit I don't see the relation to the unsigned NSEC3 approach)? I agree they might be interesting, but I'd like to keep them far away from pseudo-DNSSEC. Regards, John Levine, jo...@taugh.com, Taughannock

Re: [DNSOP] NSEC3 aggressive use for unsigned zones

2016-11-28 Thread Shane Kerr
John, At 2016-11-27 15:18:18 - "John Levine" wrote: > >What are the consequences of the authoritiative server returning > >synthesized unsigned NSEC3 RRs upon being signalled by the resolver > >using an EDNS option? > > A message to the world that there is no need to sign your zones, > be

Re: [DNSOP] NSEC3 aggressive use for unsigned zones

2016-11-27 Thread John Levine
>What are the consequences of the authoritiative server returning >synthesized unsigned NSEC3 RRs upon being signalled by the resolver >using an EDNS option? A message to the world that there is no need to sign your zones, because we will solve your problems by magic. Please, let's not go there.

[DNSOP] NSEC3 aggressive use for unsigned zones

2016-11-27 Thread Mukund Sivaraman
draft-ietf-dnsop-nsec-aggressiveuse works for stopping random sub-domain attacks for signed zones. The problem exists for unsigned zones and different approaches have been proposed: - Bloom filtering queries (e.g. https://github.com/hdais/unbound-bloomfilter) - Bloom filter bitfield in RRs (e.g.