Re: [DNSOP] My remarks at the mic in the DNSOP meeting the other day

2015-07-28 Thread Andrew Sullivan
Hi, Keeping in mind the exchange Ted and I had the other day, I want to note first that I'm speaking for myself and that I'm really actually in principle entirely in favour of people doing whatever they want on their networks. Again, my concern here is at least partly to do with the IETF's interf

Re: [DNSOP] My remarks at the mic in the DNSOP meeting the other day

2015-07-26 Thread Ted Lemon
Thanks for the thoughtful response, Andrew. I think we both agree that we need more clarity about this distinction we’ve been talking about regarding the distinction between the DNS namespace and domain names as a separate concept. I don’t entirely see the risk to the IETF that you are talki

Re: [DNSOP] My remarks at the mic in the DNSOP meeting the other day

2015-07-26 Thread Christian Grothoff
On 07/26/2015 09:14 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > So, I'm not attempting to defend a business model as such. I'm > instead arguing that, if we act to create the competition we're > talking about, we endanger ourselves. Given that Tor, GNUnet, I2P and NameCoin have all been developed outside of t

Re: [DNSOP] My remarks at the mic in the DNSOP meeting the other day

2015-07-26 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 11:04:15PM -0400, Ted Lemon wrote: > > The IETF shouldn’t be in the business of suppressing innovation or defending > business models. I agree with this. The problem in this case is not just that the IETF would be acting to create a competition with someone's business mo

Re: [DNSOP] My remarks at the mic in the DNSOP meeting the other day

2015-07-25 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 26 Jul 2015, at 3:06, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > I wanted to follow up to the list to try again to make clear what I said in > the DNSOP meeting the other day. > > In the first place, the point I was trying to make in the "business model" > remark is just this: some of the drafts trying to regi

Re: [DNSOP] My remarks at the mic in the DNSOP meeting the other day

2015-07-25 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jul 25, 2015, at 9:06 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > But others of these proposals, such as bit., mark > out a name space and associated protocol that competes with the DNS. > It is a fully parallel name resolution universe, applicable to > absolutely any network application. My point was that t

[DNSOP] My remarks at the mic in the DNSOP meeting the other day

2015-07-25 Thread Andrew Sullivan
Hi, I wanted to follow up to the list to try again to make clear what I said in the DNSOP meeting the other day. In the first place, the point I was trying to make in the "business model" remark is just this: some of the drafts trying to register special-use names that Christian Grothoff talked a