Re: [DNSOP] If DNSSEC signatures do not validate ...

2020-04-28 Thread Davey Song
> > Davey - if there is a pervasive/omnipresent man-in-the-middle attacker, > then no security protocol (DNSSEC, TLS, HTTPS or any other) can > _prevent_ the attack. All they can do is to _detect_ that an attack is > taking > place (and probably abort). > > Shumon. > Fair enough. Davey > ___

Re: [DNSOP] If DNSSEC signatures do not validate ...

2020-04-28 Thread Shumon Huque
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM Paul Wouters wrote: > On Tue, 28 Apr 2020, Davey Song wrote: > > > OK. It make sense to try every name servers to defend the case if the > adversary only intercept one path. But the adversary also know the resolver > will > > retry other servers. So a smarter adve

Re: [DNSOP] If DNSSEC signatures do not validate ...

2020-04-28 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020, Davey Song wrote: OK. It make sense to try every name servers to defend the case if the adversary only intercept one path. But the adversary also know the resolver will retry other servers. So a smarter adversary may intercept in the aggregated upstreaming path where all q

Re: [DNSOP] If DNSSEC signatures do not validate ...

2020-04-28 Thread Davey Song
That language could probably use some clarification. I would interpret > "if .. none of the RRSIGs can be validated" as "if .. none of the RRSIGs > can be validated from _any_ of the authority servers". In practice, every > validating resolver I'm familiar with will retry other servers upon > signa

Re: [DNSOP] If DNSSEC signatures do not validate ...

2020-04-28 Thread Shumon Huque
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:48 AM Davey Song wrote: > > I think you mean if you receive a BOGUS validation result (eg missing >> RRSIG records, or otherwise are not getting the records needed for proof >> of non-existance or signatures. In that case, I think the existing >> DNS protocol already tel

Re: [DNSOP] If DNSSEC signatures do not validate ...

2020-04-28 Thread Davey Song
> I think you mean if you receive a BOGUS validation result (eg missing > RRSIG records, or otherwise are not getting the records needed for proof > of non-existance or signatures. In that case, I think the existing > DNS protocol already tells you to try other servers? > According to RFC4035 sect

Re: [DNSOP] If DNSSEC signatures do not validate ...

2020-04-28 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020, Davey Song wrote: As far as I know, in DNSSEC the validating resolver is able to identify a Bad response if signatures do not validate. But it unable to retrieve the good one for stub resolver if there are other alternatives.  I think you mean if you receive a BOGUS valid

[DNSOP] If DNSSEC signatures do not validate ...

2020-04-28 Thread Davey Song
Hi folks, As far as I know, in DNSSEC the validating resolver is able to identify a Bad response if signatures do not validate. But it unable to retrieve the good one for stub resolver if there are other alternatives. I'm thinking about a draft proposal if signatures do not validate, the validati