[DNSOP] Re: Compact Denial of Existence with NSEC3?

2024-12-26 Thread Edward Lewis
On Dec 26, 2024, at 14:25, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: > > I would say online signing is way superior operating practice than off-line > signing, > there is no need for NSEC3 in on-line signing operations! I asked whether NSEC3 was a good idea or not - a notable response was that without NSEC3,

[DNSOP] Re: Compact Denial of Existence with NSEC3?

2024-12-26 Thread Dave Lawrence
John Levine: > But this is a span of hashes.  If you don't have the whole zone hashed, > how are you going to find the span?  If you do have the whole zone hashed, > that doesn't sound like on-line signing. There are definitely online-signing implementations where the names are easy en

[DNSOP] Re: Compact Denial of Existence with NSEC3?

2024-12-26 Thread John R Levine
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024, Shumon Huque wrote: On Thu, Dec 26, 2024 at 3:48 PM John R Levine wrote: On Thu, 26 Dec 2024, Shumon Huque wrote: However, I guess for online signers, there is in fact a small computational advantage in not needing to dynamically construct a signed NSEC3 record in ref

[DNSOP] Re: Compact Denial of Existence with NSEC3?

2024-12-26 Thread Shumon Huque
On Thu, Dec 26, 2024 at 3:48 PM John R Levine wrote: > On Thu, 26 Dec 2024, Shumon Huque wrote: > > > > However, I guess for online signers, there is in fact a small > computational > > advantage in not needing to dynamically construct a signed NSEC3 record > > in referral responses for delegated

[DNSOP] Re: Compact Denial of Existence with NSEC3?

2024-12-26 Thread John R Levine
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024, Shumon Huque wrote: On Thu, Dec 26, 2024 at 2:05 PM John Levine wrote: Someone is going to ask what about opt-out. I think the answer is that when doing online signing it's easier to sign everything than try and find the names whose hashes precede and follow the name you do

[DNSOP] Re: Compact Denial of Existence with NSEC3?

2024-12-26 Thread Shumon Huque
On Thu, Dec 26, 2024 at 2:05 PM John Levine wrote: > > Someone is going to ask what about opt-out. I think the answer is that when > doing online signing it's easier to sign everything than try and find the > names whose hashes precede and follow the name you don't want to sign. > I was original

[DNSOP] Re: Compact Denial of Existence with NSEC3?

2024-12-26 Thread Olafur Gudmundsson
> On Dec 26, 2024, at 14:05, John Levine wrote: > > It's fine, but two niggles: > > It appears that Shumon Huque said: >> specific benefit for online signing implementations. Hence, there >> does not appear to be a strong advantage to implementing Compact >> Denial of Existence with NSEC

[DNSOP] Re: Compact Denial of Existence with NSEC3?

2024-12-26 Thread John Levine
It's fine, but two niggles: It appears that Shumon Huque said: > specific benefit for online signing implementations. Hence, there > does not appear to be a strong advantage to implementing Compact > Denial of Existence with NSEC3. An existing implementation of I'd say it more clearly

[DNSOP] Re: Compact Denial of Existence with NSEC3?

2024-12-26 Thread Shumon Huque
On Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 11:21 PM Shumon Huque wrote: > > In light of this, I am contemplating revising the text in the draft about > "no > benefit" and adding a small section describing what needs to be done to > implement this protocol with NSEC3. The changes are very simple. The > owner name of

[DNSOP] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Compact Denial of Existence with NSEC3? (Was: Re: Re: Dnsdir last call review of draft-ietf-dnsop-compact-denial-of-existence-05)

2024-12-26 Thread Shumon Huque
Quick follow-up here. After a private exchange with Paul V, I now understand that his reference to the blog post was intended to help the larger IETF last-call audience familiarize themselves with the topic. It wasn't a comment specifically on the merits of supporting NSEC3. Shumon. On Mon, Dec 2