[DNSOP] RFC 9539 on Unilateral Opportunistic Deployment of Encrypted Recursive-to-Authoritative DNS

2024-02-28 Thread Paul Hoffman
[[ Of likely interest to this WG, for the people who unsubscribed from DPRIVE ]] A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 9539 Title: Unilateral Opportunistic Deployment of Encrypted Recursive-to-Authoritative DNS

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] About key tags and collision numbers

2024-02-28 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 29 Feb 2024, at 09:23, John R Levine wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Shumon Huque wrote: >> Banning keytag collisions outright today would not be a good idea - we risk >> rendering some sights unresolvable through no fault of their own. DNSSEC >> already has plenty of detractors, and we do

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] About key tags and collision numbers

2024-02-28 Thread John R Levine
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, Shumon Huque wrote: Banning keytag collisions outright today would not be a good idea - we risk rendering some sights unresolvable through no fault of their own. DNSSEC already has plenty of detractors, and we don't want to give them more ammunition by creating problems in th

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] About key tags

2024-02-28 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 29 Feb 2024, at 08:44, John R Levine wrote: > > On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, Mark Andrews wrote: >>> If it is forbidden in the protocol, it might still happen. >> >> Ed, your reasoning is off. The point of forbidding is to allow the >> validator to safely stop as soon as possible when it is un

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] About key tags

2024-02-28 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 29 Feb 2024, at 08:22, Shumon Huque wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 3:59 PM Edward Lewis wrote: > On 2/27/24, 17:09, "DNSOP on behalf of John Levine" on behalf of jo...@taugh.com> wrote: > > >The kind of load is different but in each case the client needs to > >limit the amou

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] About key tags

2024-02-28 Thread John R Levine
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, Mark Andrews wrote: If it is forbidden in the protocol, it might still happen. Ed, your reasoning is off. The point of forbidding is to allow the validator to safely stop as soon as possible when it is under attack. We're going in circles here. You want to stop at 2 so

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] About key tags

2024-02-28 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Feb 28, 2024, at 13:25, Mark Andrews wrote: > The point of forbidding is to allow the validator to safely stop as soon as > possible when it is under attack. If that is the point, why not just document that a validator is allowed to do that, such as if it sees three matching keytags? That se

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] About key tags

2024-02-28 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 29 Feb 2024, at 07:59, Edward Lewis wrote: > > On 2/27/24, 17:09, "DNSOP on behalf of John Levine" on behalf of jo...@taugh.com> wrote: > >> The kind of load is different but in each case the client needs to >> limit the amount of work it's willing to do. We can forbid it in the >>

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] About key tags

2024-02-28 Thread Shumon Huque
On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 3:59 PM Edward Lewis wrote: > On 2/27/24, 17:09, "DNSOP on behalf of John Levine" < > dnsop-boun...@ietf.org on behalf of jo...@taugh.com> wrote: > > >The kind of load is different but in each case the client needs to > >limit the amount of work it's willing to do.

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] About key tags

2024-02-28 Thread Edward Lewis
On 2/27/24, 17:09, "DNSOP on behalf of John Levine" wrote: >The kind of load is different but in each case the client needs to >limit the amount of work it's willing to do. We can forbid it in the >protocol but unless you have better contacts at the Protocol Police >than I do, peo

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] About key tags and their infrequent collisions

2024-02-28 Thread John R Levine
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, libor.peltan wrote: Dne 27. 02. 24 v 21:24 John Levine napsal(a): The total number of domains where I found duplicate tags was 105. As I said earlier, is while I appreciate such research, I warn against misinterpreting it. The main point isn't about the zones that are curr

[DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-compact-denial-of-existence-02.txt

2024-02-28 Thread internet-drafts
Internet-Draft draft-ietf-dnsop-compact-denial-of-existence-02.txt is now available. It is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations (DNSOP) WG of the IETF. Title: Compact Denial of Existence in DNSSEC Authors: Shumon Huque Christian Elmerot Olafur Gudmundsso

Re: [DNSOP] DNS Grease?

2024-02-28 Thread Shumon Huque
Thanks for your comments David. I hope it will progress too, and good to hear that that grease worked well for TLS and QUIC. On random vs reserved values, we do intend to propose some reserved ranges (there is a placeholder section in the draft for this already). And then try to have a debate abou

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] About key tags

2024-02-28 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Feb 28, 2024, at 03:52, libor.peltan wrote: > > Hi John, > Dne 27. 02. 24 v 21:24 John Levine napsal(a): >> The total number of domains where I found duplicate tags was 105. >> >> > As I said earlier, is while I appreciate such research, I warn against > misinterpreting it. The main point

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] About key tags

2024-02-28 Thread libor.peltan
Hi John, Dne 27. 02. 24 v 21:24 John Levine napsal(a): The total number of domains where I found duplicate tags was 105. As I said earlier, is while I appreciate such research, I warn against misinterpreting it. The main point isn't about the zones that are currently experiencing a keytag-con